Submitted by nfw22 t3_119ells in washingtondc

Whether true or not, to outsiders, DC is perceived to be a transient city (at least more so than other cities). One explanation I've heard for this is that with changing presidential administrations, staffers come and go for jobs.

I cannot track down the exact article I'm thinking of, but around four years ago I read an article in maybe WaPo or the Washingtonian about how the culture of DC changed during the Trump presidency. I am wondering how much truth there is to this perception, generally speaking. With administration changes (thinking particularly of ones that entail a new party taking the WH) is there a notable change that follows in terms of the types of people living in the city?

DC is not that big of a city, and given the high proportion of federal government employees in the District, I am wondering if there is a solid-enough core of DC "lifers" so that the changing demographics isn't noticeable, or is it still significant?

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solidrecommendations t1_j9lr15y wrote

There are far more career federal employees than political appointees. So I don’t buy the idea there is a huge amount of noticeable turnover with administrations. A lot of young people come to work in DC as interns, for entry level jobs, etc., before moving on to other things. So there is a lot of churn in the 20s age group. There is less churn in the over 30s crowd but some people do move to the burbs when they have kids.

That said, I know lots of folks who’ve been here for a long time and have no plans to leave. So I think this is sort of a trope, though I would concede DC has more churn than a place like Charlotte, for example.

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NorseTikiBar t1_j9lxq24 wrote

The political appointees often don't leave anymore, either. Over the last 30 years or so, they just rotate out to a think-tank/lobbying position until the political party they align with comes back into power.

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BitterGravity t1_j9mcie0 wrote

> So I don’t buy the idea there is a huge amount of noticeable turnover with administrations

But it seems like that for journalists for obvious reasons hence the articles

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solidrecommendations t1_j9mcpd9 wrote

What? I’m not saying there is no turnover in administrations, only that it’s not noticeable as a segment of DC’s population writ large. What’s your point?

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BitterGravity t1_j9md3ks wrote

Oh I agree with you, but there's a number of articles which discuss it. I was suggesting a reason why thats the case people do perceive it.

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veloharris t1_j9m7atx wrote

Obama made DC and public service seem cool to many and definitely gave the city a boost up in coolness. He and the First Lady were often out to eat at new restaurants, they held events with relevant contemporary artists etc.

The Trump presidency had a minimal to neutral effect. Many political appointee jobs went unfilled, there wasn't a surge of new young aspiring staffers etc. He didn't go out much at all etc.

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LuellaDesjardins t1_j9mrjge wrote

Exactly. I’ve been here for like 15 years and the most noticeable vibe shift was during the Obama era. Cool is the perfect word to describe it.

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202markb t1_j9nbju1 wrote

As someone who was here during Clinton I can say I agree and noticed the same back then. It’s not so much that things backslide during R admins (let’s face it, they don’t hang much in DC proper or contribute to it’s culture), it’s that we get fresh new blood with new D admins.

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EducationPlus505 t1_j9n9bke wrote

>Many political appointee jobs went unfilled, there wasn't a surge of new young aspiring staffers etc.

Is that true? I vaguely remember reading an article along the lines of OP's point that presidential administration's do affect DC culture a little bit. Because the Trump Team was full of political outsiders, they didn't pick up a lot of the think tankers and other former administrative officials like you would expect. And look at how many Trump staffers were young people. Like, wasn't the deputy head of his personnel office like an undergrad from GW or something?

As I said, I remember reading some article about how most of the Trump staffers ended up moving to Navy Yard and Southeast. But I'm not so familiar with that, and it should be pointed out that there's been some development in those neighborhoods, so of course new people to the city would gravitate there.

ETA: I used to read a lot of Politico back in the day, and this article sounds about right. I could be wrong, but this is what I was thinking of.

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walkandtalkk t1_j9q2d21 wrote

I would say Obama revitalized much of the city, such as the 14th Street corridor. (Yes, many people would call that gentrification, but I think it was a good thing.) He made DC feel like an exciting, creative place, merely because he seemed exciting and groundbreaking, and a lot of idealists flocked to his administration, and DC, as a result.

Whenever I walk by Le Diplomate, my first thought is still that it was Michelle Obama's favorite restaurant.

So I think Obama made DC more urbane. It is no longer a steakhouse city (though it still has some of that).

Trump made DC grumpier, but there was a certain energy in feeling like you were near the front lines of a real struggle for the soul of the country. It was stressful, but with each day his administration was stymied—by Pelosi, by the courts, by activists, by governors, by opinion polls that scared Republicans—there was a sense of hope and petty victory.

In short, D.C. felt more like an activist city, which was invigorating.

We're still finding our footing after the double-whammy of Trump and the pandemic. I'd say the city is a bit unsettled, certainly more so than it was under Obama. At least then there seemed to be a clear upward trajectory, escaping the crises of the '80s and '90s. We have a lot of challenges: Homelessness, crime (most of it petty), residential rents, and now a question about how how to deal with a partially empty downtown. It is clearly a transitional period.

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Praxiscat t1_j9pkp77 wrote

I would say the problem with the Trump presidency was when his supporters came in from out of town. Especially to harass local residents. I remember in December of 2020 and a few other times when the proud boys went around beating up people. Likewise the other time his fascist supporters showed up to march around. Never mind the whole January 6th thing and the nightmare of the response to the BLM protests. Just in general this man was a nightmare for the city. Biden has been subdued. Trump was horrific on occasion. The celebration when he lost the election was great though. The Obama era was awesome though. That I agree with. I want that back.

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mr_grission t1_j9ls9ap wrote

Been here since 2012. The most I noticed during the Trump administration was that you might hear derisive comments about a couple of places being frequented by White House staff (Blackfinn is one I remember in particular) and you might swipe left on Tinder if someone's job was listed as "White House".

Dem presidents do seem to make more attempts to be part of the city itself, so there's more buzz around like "oh this is that place Biden ordered from". Trump would just eat at his hotel.

Going to GW, the vibe around the 2012 election/2013 inauguration was incredible. I wasn't there in 2016, but obviously things were not the same for Trump.

Similarly after Election Day 2016 the city collectively seemed like it was stuck in a deep depression. People were just sad everywhere you went for like weeks. When the 2020 election was announced for Biden it was basically a parade in the streets of DC.

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NPRjunkieDC t1_j9m0aht wrote

I remember the parade! Everyone out on the streets celebrating like we had won the World Cup .

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BitterGravity t1_j9mcqb4 wrote

I found that weird and comforting since it waited until it was called by like CNN/ABC because people didn't want to get their hopes up even though it was clear from the day before at least

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whatallison t1_j9n0w4n wrote

I was walking in RCP (not far from 16th st) when the 2020 election was officially called and I heard cheering and honking before I even got the phone alert. Everyone I passed on the trail was just so happy. There is something really special about an entire city/region expressing collective joy… I’ve not experienced anything like it.

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NPRjunkieDC t1_j9mdijj wrote

I don't remember, but at one point, it was mathematically impossible for Trump to win, I think

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BitterGravity t1_j9me2c9 wrote

They called before that point but the day before it would've required the requiring areas to dramatically break from both nearby areas and historic trends dramatically. The increase in mail voting didn't help since networks didn't know exactly how it'd break down but they didn't really update based on knowledge of how the rest of the state etc was going.

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JustHereForCookies17 t1_j9nix6k wrote

I was in Bethesda & people were honking their horns & waving to everyone they saw. The sense of community was...dare I say Disney-esque?

I wasn't mad about it, by any means, but it was as if a declaration of peace had been issued after a 4-year long war.

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Snow_source t1_j9pxc91 wrote

> after Election Day 2016 the city collectively seemed like it was stuck in a deep depression

The depression was palpable that night. I volunteered to help push out live updates for legislative monitoring firm I worked at.

It was like all the air went out of the room when the "firewall" fell.

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barefootwondergirl t1_j9ly2ta wrote

Yes, some people move in and out with each new congress or administration. But there are like 750,000 people who live in DC proper and 5.5M in the metro area. I think less than 10,000 actually work on the Hill, FWIW. I've been in DC for nearly 18 years and most of my friends have been here longer than me. Yes, there are people who come from all over to get a DC polish on their resume and then head back home to get married and have babies. But the upside of that is some of the smartest and most earnest people I've ever met flock to DC to change the world (through non-profits and institutions and even politics) and they keep the city interesting!

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9throwaway2 t1_j9ml8wq wrote

things change after your 20s. most of my friends have bought homes and are now raising families in the city. but there was a big shake out in the late 20s/early 30s. the DC area is expensive and I don't fault people for moving to someplace cheaper. but by your 30s, most income trajectories are set. Note, many of my friends are FSO/international org; but they keep DC as their home base in-between trips.

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GoodOmens t1_j9n9hki wrote

Even on the hill you’ve got career Congress and Senators so turnover is a fraction.

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celj1234 t1_j9lskev wrote

Not really. The only thing that changed was more of his fans/maga republicans were excited to come to DC from their flyover states.

Loves giving them complete wrong directions when I saw them downtown

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mr_grission t1_j9lwbcz wrote

This is actually a good point. The Trump administration definitely seemed to attract more of the types of tourists that treat DC like an America-themed amusement park.

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NorseTikiBar t1_j9lxzzy wrote

I always felt like they treated DC as occupied territory when Trump was in office, but same vibes I guess.

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becuzzathafact t1_j9ndsaw wrote

Been here since 93. The town’s culture does change with administrations.

The Clinton years were a party. DC had a warehouse club scene that has since disappeared. The city itself lacked amenities (e.g., if you needed home products you traveled to the suburbs to do shopping). Crime was high. Depending on your comfort level, if you were on Capitol Hill you didn’t explore much further than third street SE. Not sure how any of that might have been the result of the admin, though.

The Bush Jr years were… something. After the traumatic anxiety inducing 9/11 (and that’s an understatement) the tone turned “top down my way or the highway.” The city’s transformation continued apace. You might think people would find a way to blow off steam, but the former warehouse clubs disappeared to make room for Nationals Park, shuttering a big portion of nightlife and scattering queer culture across the city.

The Obama years felt promising and idealistic, attracted a youth culture and restaurant scene that had been missing. Also attracted Silicon Valley. The “NY-ification” of DC.

The Trump years reminded residents this town is the political center of the country. And a real battleground in a moment’s notice. A weird anxiety set in not for obvious reasons. More like due to the neglect that came with first contact with an admin that seemed uninterested in stepping into the role. A notable departure from prior admins: Whenever the presidential motorcade appeared in traffic it wasn’t managed like previous admins. No police clearing the way and managing pedestrian traffic. It just appeared, blasting horns and trying to blow through the streets. Not hyperbole: random uncivil crappiness was everywhere on the street. From both sides of the spectrum.

Currently: a weird idealistic culture has set in. Especially in the workplace. Best described as “everyone wants to save the world, nobody wants to do the dishes.” Net result: seems like everything is viewed through the lens of what’s in it for me and less gets done.

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wwb_99 t1_j9omn0h wrote

This captures it effectively.

Another way to look at it is where the party was at. Bush was republican lobbyists doing lots of blow in gtown. Obama moved the party uptown to M street. By the trump era we had republican bars and democrat bars.

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MaslowsHierarchyBees t1_j9oys7i wrote

Completely agreed. Obama years felt like DC was about to do or become something “magic”.

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BrooklandDodger t1_j9lur4x wrote

I think the only changing demographic that's consistent is the gentrification. I'll be honest. The only time I really hear that D.C is a transient city or the "you never really meet anyone from d.c" narrative is from certain demographics and that usually tells me a lot about them and their social circles.

As others have said with Trump, including other conservative presidents in the past, their red supporters usually come through for a few events and then return.

The escalation between the tea party and the maga movements were interesting though.

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GoodOmens t1_j9na8kk wrote

Thank you. It irks me when folks discount the literal 100s of thousands who have lived here for their entire lives.

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DISTROpianLife t1_j9ou3pl wrote

Agreed. There's a lot of families who qualify as "D.C. residents" (African American and even a lot of the Salvadoran community) that have lived here for decades around SE, Anacostia, Colombia Heights, Petworth,16 st. Heights, etc. who are getting priced out or are aging out...

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PalpitationNo3106 t1_j9m0hoj wrote

Previous administrations had brought waves of bright eyed young people in. Clinton did. Bush did. Obama really did. Trump just didn’t. And Biden brought a small wave, but not a change level one (probably a combination of COVID and Joe) trump just didn’t fill a couple thousand political appointed jobs.

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NPRjunkieDC t1_j9lzvbe wrote

During the Trump years, dating was I think what changed the most . For the first time, people were putting in their profiles that had no interest in MAGA .

Other than that, I didn't notice anything. We had a very bad image overseas, and every week, there was a new horror story

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Separate-Sentence366 t1_j9m8wcu wrote

In my experience the main difference between DC and the other major knowledge sector metro areas is that people here are much slower to really adopt DC as where they are “from”—they don’t internalize being from here, proclaim being from here, in the same way that a 24 year old U of Tennessee grad is “from” New York within 18 months of moving to the city.

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1800TurdFerguson t1_j9mdrwn wrote

Was here for a year during the first term of the Shrub administration, and moved back towards the end of it. DC has always been a bit cyclical depending on who inhabited the White House. One restauranteur who’s had multiple places in DC told me that business was better during the Obama and Clinton administrations than when any Republican was in office.

Trump’s malignant brand of conservatism did change DC. In prior administrations, people could occasionally work in a bipartisan fashion. These America First MAGAts are an entirely different breed, and I shudder to think what will happen if we get Meatball Ron or any of his ilk in the White House.

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JustHereForCookies17 t1_j9njkyf wrote

How have I never heard/read "Shrub administration" before?! Social media has failed me.

Now, which Shrub in particular are you referring to? Or should I already know the answer to that?

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alizadk t1_j9n0swj wrote

I remember that article (sounds more like a Politico one than WaPo, TBH). It was about the social life of official Washington (like ambassadors, Cabinet- and undersecretary-level appointees, Congress critters and their chiefs of staff, etc), not your average person working in politics. It said that the Trump administration was pretty insular, and they weren't really welcome at things like the Kennedy Center Honors, WH Correspondents' Dinner, etc. They pretty much hung out at the Trump Hotel and Cafe Milano, whereas the Obama administration was out and about, hosting parties, attending events, trying new restaurants, etc.

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brodies t1_j9nc1fv wrote

There was a better article a while back that distinguished between Washington, the company town revolving around the Capitol, White House, and political DC, and the District of Columbia, the vibrant city of 700,000 who have little or nothing to do with the political company town. Washington is incredibly transient. The District less so. There’s still turnover in the District, especially among the 20-something crowd that moves here for internships and nonprofits, but the District is otherwise pretty stable.

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Pipes_of_Pan t1_j9mjlyu wrote

Others have answered well but I will add that Democratic presidents actually go out in DC. They eat at restaurants, go to plays, games, do press events at DC schools, etc, so there is a slight chance you’ll cross paths with them. I met Joe and Jill at a vaccination drive, for example.

I think the fascist one only went out to eat once in four years and it was to his own dumbass hotel.

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DC-DE t1_j9mw4gk wrote

Been here since 2006.

Biggest change during the Trump years was the sheer number of protests and protesters coming from around the country. It was a truly special (if exhausting) time for the democratic process.

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Adventurous_Gap_5946 t1_j9mlc55 wrote

The biggest change to the city’s overall culture was between Bush & Obama. A new energy was injected into the city.

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Surefinewhatever1111 t1_j9m0p7i wrote

As a 20+ year resident and having seen administrations come and go, a single term doesn't move the needle on anything.

There's a lot more to DC than the Hill and 1600 Penn, and I've had very little interest or interaction with either. Perhaps more the latter than the former in any case.

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victoriapedia t1_j9nqre7 wrote

Nah. There are two DCs - political/political-adjacent DC and normal DC. The latter is filled with people who may work nominally government jobs, but are more (primarily) technical specialists than anything else. I will concede that the former is rapidly overtaking the latter as people are getting more and more politically involved. But it really just comes down to what your milieu is. The political/transient milieu might be changing, but I wouldn't really know.

On a broader note, I would say this city underwent a revolution during the Obama years. People began to dress better, look better (there was an article in The Economist around 10 years ago about how DC went from having nearly the fewest gyms in the country per capita to having the most or almost the most in a matter of years). If DC ever was Hollywood for the Ugly, it CERTAINLY isn't that anymore. People began to care more about sitting in good restaurants and not just drinking Folger's coffee. Bike lanes really took off at that time. I won't speculate why these people and that specific moment demanded these changes, I'm just stating that's when and who changed the city. It has been relatively stable/consistent since.

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ta112233 t1_j9om973 wrote

It’s because of all the young people Obama attracted to the city. Public service became cool, so the best and brightest flocked here and amenities to serve them (gyms, trendy restaurants, coffee shops, Soulcycle, etc.) quickly followed.

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victoriapedia t1_j9qc99j wrote

100%. What used to be the accoutrement of Wall St made its way here.

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Gumburcules t1_j9owaso wrote

I've lived in DC for 37 years and have been a fed through Obama, Trump, and now Biden. I noticed basically zero difference in the "culture of DC" between administrations.

That being said, there are definitely city-wide mood swings. The weeks and months after the elections of Obama and Trump were definitely palpable in their jubilation and sorrow. The months after January 6th were noticeable in their shock and disgust. I don't think any of those things changed the overall culture of DC though.

Each new administration only gets about 4,000 appointees, only 1,600 of which require Senate confirmation. (i.e. are anyone actually important.) Many, probably most of them will choose to live in the rich MD/VA suburbs. There just aren't enough people to make a big difference.

Also, you're probably asking the wrong people. Except for maybe the upper crust of Georgetown and Kalorama who actually do hobnob with appointees at their clubs, us regular joes aren't connected with that world. You know where the biggest concentration of DC natives is? Wards 7 and 8. Nobody over here is getting invited to parties with Janet Yellen or Antony Blinken.

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spokkie5011 t1_j9mgd29 wrote

There are more natives than you think. I've lived in DC my whole life.

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jaco1001 t1_j9pczkk wrote

if you only hang out with white college educated 20 somethings who work in politics (or politics adjacent) then all the stereotypes about DC transience are generally true

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skratchpikl202 t1_j9pk85z wrote

After Obama was elected in '08, the city was electric. As one poster mentioned, it was as if a NY-ification of DC began happening almost immediately. The period between the election and inauguration was one big party (bars open all night, celebs in town, a sense of hope and joy among people that I've never seen before). Around this time, DC also became a more attractive destination as a place to live and work. The city itself began to change with an enhanced culinary scene, new neighborhoods on the upswing, more local businesses opening up, etc.

Whether or not Obama's policies lived up to the hype is one's personal preference, and the changes/gentrification in the city had its pros and cons, but this was a very transformative time for DC. Neighborhoods changed drastically (H Street, Shaw, Petworth, Navy Yard, etc.).

These days, the changes are still noticeable, but the atmosphere is different. Parts of DC that were recently pretty great are now interchangeable with Clarendon and other cookie-cutter suburbs. I've also noticed the sense of community in some neighborhoods has vanished a bit. In the H Street area about 10-15 years ago, everyone knew each other, looked out for on another, and it seemed much smaller and community-orientated. Nowadays, that vibe is gone. It's thousands of folks packed into apartment buildings who will never meet their neighbors and who walk briskly down the street with earbuds from one destination to the next. Not saying there is anything wrong with this, it's just different. Couple that with soaring housing costs, and a whole chunk of the population that used to live here is gone.

That went a little off track, but as a transient city--some people stay, some people go. I'm at an age where folks are now in the suburbs, moved elsewhere in the country, or are scattered in different parts of the city.

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barefootwondergirl t1_j9mnx2c wrote

I've been here from 20s through 40s. I don't judge people who move on, just stating a lot of it happens around changes in family. And DC is very expensive to live in.

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Widespread_Looting t1_j9mrkwf wrote

DC isn't nearly as transient as the reputation. Students, yes, of course they come and go, but most neighborhoods are very stable. Actually N. Virginia/Arlington is where you see lots of turnover related to administration rollover, not so much DC proper.

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Quirky-Camera5124 t1_j9nouih wrote

lived there 80 years. lots of new people coming c in, no one leaves except the children of residents. of my high school class, i am the only one who stayed here.

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messmaker523 t1_j9o9n2o wrote

NGOs and Non Profit groups wax and wane depending on the administration.

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C0333 t1_j9obvih wrote

I’ve been here since 1992. I have very little interaction with political people except an appreciation for the young people it brings to town which has been pretty consistent over 30 years.

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reflectionsdc t1_j9n08d9 wrote

The only thing I noticed is there is even less parking spots from all the patio/outdoor stuff, but less people walking around, and property crime rates are through the roof. DC has been liberal and still is liberal. The same vanities are there. Its probably going to start changing back when fed employees come back.

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