Submitted by squeakychain t3_ygz2og in wallstreetbets

What about risk management?

I can’t stop but wonder how so many people let themselves lose so much money. Don’t you use a Stop Loss or any way of risk management to reduce the losses to a minimum?

I strongly believe that in order to make money you need to learn how to manage both the outcomes of a trade.

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oneredflag t1_iub79wi wrote

Well this sub use to be about options gambling, not sure what it is about now. Memes and Wall Street conspiracies perhaps.

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DeadSol t1_iub7ays wrote

/r/investing is that way >>>

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Plastic-Umpire4855 t1_iub7e17 wrote

There is no risk, you just delete the app. This guys ☝️huh

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OG_Dillon t1_iub7ji2 wrote

We don’t do that here

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User125699 t1_iub7ul0 wrote

Stonks only go up. Gtfo of here w/ your bs.

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giantdoodoohead t1_iub8a6a wrote

Stops, like recommended dosages, are for pussies

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YDKftw t1_iubbufu wrote

This is not very regarded…

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UngruntledAussie t1_iubcov4 wrote

After you get stopped out of a trade that turned blacker than Bezos’ heart and realise that your trade data is shared around you become less inclined to be an unlubed hole and more inclined to lose it all on principle.

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MojoRisin9009 t1_iubd1fx wrote

One of the biggest reasons... Daytrading. Short term trading is the hardest fucking thing ever to learn and once people figure out it's WAY easier, less stressful and far more profitable to buy Jan. 23 expirary options, then they may actually start making some money, especially considering in THIS market they're bound to hit one way or another because by that time I guarantee the options will touch the money whatever direction you bought them in. PLUS, the 'get rich quick' mentality among new traders is just such a strong, magnetic force few can resist it.

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illikwid t1_iubdast wrote

when u set a stop loss the mm gods snipe it then hard reverse every time. noob

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MojoRisin9009 t1_iubdo4t wrote

Now... It's nothing but an echo chamber of self pity, excuses, shitty plays, and ABSOLUTELY depressing loss porn. Remember when loss porn included positions, history and a chart that looked like a roller coaster transformer snorted a gagger of coke and ketamine at the same time? Those beautiful "holy fuck I'm retiring' highs and the 'OMFG is it gonna go back up dips' and the 'WE DID IT' back up to a new high and then the 'fuck..... game over' plunge. Now it's just one straight limp dick, wet noodle line plunging straight down to ZERO and a run of the mill, cunt, refusal to accept risk and consequences of your actions 'Omg guys my life is over' post.

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navkrishh t1_iubdvmr wrote

Sir, this is a Wendy's. Take a frosting and gtfo, risk management my ass imgimgimg

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nvanderw t1_iubetbe wrote

Never ever use stop losses when trading options. Just buy more options to hedge.

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thatoneguy63275 t1_iubfp7l wrote

Hay these guys " losing money " I'm certain thay are not as dumb as it would appear. If I had half a mill I'd throw 25k into a account and wreck it for show.

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MojoRisin9009 t1_iubgk5e wrote

I mean nothing is certain, but pretty much, and if you have to cut a position just hold tight until your loss becomes more managable. Of course not YOLOing is a good idea, as always. Lol. Honestly, RSI is 'usually' not a good indicator, and it's very dangerous calling a top or bottom, but in this market, I find it useful. Especially to see overbought/sold conditions, but trying to time those conditions down to a fews days or even a week is just a fools errand and daily charts/patterns/etc are so apt to reverse at this point there's honestly no point at all in trying to day trade unless you're a very experienced trader with the will/know how to IMMEDIATELY cut a loss, because holding any position of any size right now can blow you up reallllll fast. Of course, another huge reason is everyone here is looking for 500/1000% gains when we all know, yea, it's cool, but it's just stupid to try for that shit time and again. It's downright unhealthy and anyone that's done it and went onto survive knows it.

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ankole_watusi t1_iubgwyc wrote

Half this sh*t fake for the lulz. It’s entertainment. Like Cramer, but different-not different.

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User125699 t1_iubh30c wrote

Love you too bro.

Sorry for my anger. I’ve been going through a lot lately. My wife’s boyfriend has been being a jerk and I got let go from Wendy’s. I don’t know how I’m going to afford my payment on my Tesla with all the TLRY bags I’m holding and no more free Dave’s Doubles.

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attofreak t1_iubh53g wrote

> Short term trading is the hardest fucking thing ever to learn

lol, calm down with glorifying gambling. You're just guessing, and sometimes the game of chance is in your favour, sometimes not. Returns are mostly Gaussian noise, and any faint kurtosis/skewness/fatness of tails/correlations is barely captured by most of the degenerates. On top of that, option greeks are rarely discussed here. I had to go out of my way to learn that stuff. The math is all nice and pretty, but in real time, unless you got dedicated programs linked to data coming from your broker (forget about directly interfacing with exchange), most people are just running on hunches. Even all that effort seems like a mockery, considering someone will get lucky with a YOLO and that post will get pinned to celebrate the survivorship bias.

Whether a bull or bear or kangaroo market, there's no value investing of any kind. Occasionally, some finance student or trader drops in, shares a dd (who knows out of kindness of their heart or just trying to pump the instrument). Rest of the time, we just like the thrill of throwing real-world money after things we barely comprehend.

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SlappyBottoms26 t1_iubhk2y wrote

Lol stupid people born with/gifted money are funny to watch. Let ‘em lose it all.

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DoomerGloomerBloomer t1_iubibv7 wrote

Stop losses are only good for locking in your loss.

Risk management comes down to how much capital you put at risk, nit setting yourself up to get stopped out.

Most dramatic moves are pre or post market, so most stops won't save you anyway.

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MojoRisin9009 t1_iubj242 wrote

There are many profitable short-term traders out there, but it takes years to learn. Hence why there are so few because they run out of money, determination or everything else long before they reach a point to where they can actually become consistently profitable. It is possible and doable though.

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DoomerGloomerBloomer t1_iubkg7k wrote

Day trading is a meme. Literally no retail investor is a successful day trader. Just doesn't exist. Only con artists will claim otherwise and they're always selling a discord server or subscription too.

If you're "day trading" then you're going to run a negative cash flow operation before long.

Law of averages applies to capital markets and it's why "buy and hold" is also a meme: fewer trades are much more advantageous than "day trading".

This alone is probably why 99% of this sub is negative on an absolute P/L.

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madsoro t1_iubq0qb wrote

I can’t even express how retardedly stupid it is to use stop losses

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callmealyft t1_iubz9er wrote

This is WSB gtfo with that r/investing crap

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winnrwinnrckndnr t1_iud6kz5 wrote

Because we like to gamble

Some win some lose

Most of us are problem gambler degens

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Willumz19 t1_iuda8ng wrote

If my option drops 30% I'm ok with that because ik it will go up 300% tmr......

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anunfriendlytoaster t1_iue5zke wrote

After you finish breastfeeding head over to r/stocks with that shit.

Ban.

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IsurusOxyrinchus354 t1_iuej489 wrote

Just speculating here, perhaps its some hybrid mentality of this community embracing loss porn coupled with the rationale that any losses can offset the capital gains?

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According-Network-72 t1_iueq20p wrote

They think they have a plan but they don’t know what they don’t know yet . Even multiplying stop distance to share size isn’t thought of yet .

Embryos my friend , embryos

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Hebnaamnodig t1_iuewxds wrote

Some people here are rich and can afford the losses. Others are gambling addicts

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