I promise you there are way more important things to worry about than hating Andrew Tate and trying to prove his guilt before the justice system does. I can name 10 things one including wiping my own ass that would be more productive than these hate posts and so called discussions that are just circlejerks

How could a vice doc about Andrew Tate be the most important thing happening in the world.

It’s more about the radicalizing of men online - which I would argue is one of the biggest issues facing the digital and social landscape. Maybe watch to fully understand?

Edit: would love to hear your opinion on the level of importance on that issue

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I get what you’re saying, but your title is going to give you only responses like this.

Man the best thing we can do to discredit Tate is just to let him speak lol! This dude has been hit in the head too many times.

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See my response to another comment.

It's less about hating Andrew Tate, and there is plenty to hate there, but rather recognizing and learning to deal with what he represents. Disillusioned young men are being radicalized by people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson and that is a problem considering what these people stand for.

This is exactly why I feel this doc is so important. It shows the danger and also how behind it all is solely someone seeking to profit off of these vulnerable people.

Why do we need to recognize or learn to deal with anything? I’ve never had one single Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson fan do anything harmful to me or anybody around me. More often than not they tend to be more open to discussion despite being the so called close minded ones but that’s my own experience. I don’t really see the point of this and I don’t see why this is anybodies problem but the people that listen to their messages and take the wrong things from them. I’ve listened to both of them and I’m not radicalized at all. I have 2 children a fiancée and all it did for me was remind me to focus on those things as a man.

I wonder if you’ve even listened to their message. Or if you’ve listened to what other people say their message is and interpret it as. Actually LISTEN to what Tate and Jordan Peterson have to say in longer context and you’ll see it’s not this horrible bullshit all these articles and people make it out to be. There is genuine good to be found in the things they say

Wow…you REALLY need to watch this doc. But I’m guessing you wont. Good luck out there

Edit: this comment (one I’m replying to) is like the epitome of the problem with the philosophy depicted in the video and again a great example of why this doc is important

Would you consider everything that Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson have to say as being wrong and toxic masculinity?

Edit: tried to watch the vice documentary you linked but it's been location blocked so can't view it, would appreciate an alternative link

Would you consider every part of any religion to be true? Just because some of it strikes a chord does not mean there isn’t a huge fault inherent to the ideology - I’ll say this again, watch the video and you’ll quickly see the ingrained issues in tate’s philosophy- I know nothing of Peterson, but am guessing there are similar issues.

Would you really classify Tate as a religion ? He's gone mad with the fame and it's obviously gone to his head. Have you seen why he's become popular ? His ideology is anti toxic-feminism. Today's society is vilifying men and boys at every turn, he highlights the common contradictions that are constantly experienced. Now I stand with you on the fact he's a moron and mysoginistic as fuck. But alot of his points find home with experiences males have been exposed to and continue to be exposed to. Jordan Peterson would be a more sophisticated and articulated anti toxic-feminism advocate.

Not classifying tate as a religion (though I think he tries to operate on the same wavelength). Merely was trying to illustrate just because some parts may ring true, that does not excuse the other parts that are exclusionary or ask for dogmatic belief at the the detriment of others’ well-being. Yes there are parts of belief systems that feel true, but you must recognize and not excuse (because of the small truths) those parts which are inherently problematic.

Edit: anti-toxic feminism…I get that. But it doesn’t excuse the swing back to supreme toxic masculinity. Watch the doc - this stuff screams of men afraid of losing control over women and afraid of being emasculated.

So using that logic we shouldn't have any beliefs at all then ? I implore you to provide an example of a belief system that doesn't have problematic aspects to it. Avoiding the simple and vague "be good to others" types.

I would say the only system to believe in is “to do unto others.” all other belief systems are inherently problematic and the systems Tate and other opportunists offer are even worse. That’s the point - full stop.

As you said all belief systems are problematic, what problems in other belief systems make them any better than his ideology ? Religions are incredibly problematic, do you want to vilify anyone who is part of a religion that you don't agree with ?

Some beliefs are more harmful (outwardly) than others, no?

Such as ?

The ones displayed by Tate in this very video(duh, no?)

Just a point on the video, I can't watch it due to it being location restricted so if you could provide a version of it I can watch I'd appreciate it.

So going off the videos and reels I've seen of Tate and his ideology, what makes his beliefs worse than toxic feminism ? Or the beliefs of Racists ? Or even the beliefs of countless other ideologies that result in deaths, attacks and abuse of countless others? His ideology focuses on men being empowered to not be afraid of this new PC culture and being vilified for just being a man.

But in his view, “being a man” consists of subjugating women. Maybe it’s borderline equivalent to what you’re referring to as “toxic feminism.” They can both be wrong (and I would argue are). Why believe one is worse than the other? Both systems hinge on lowering the value of the other human being. Male toxicity is more so now being normalized and accepted due to a backlash of female empowerment (maybe) solely because men are feeling emasculated by their loss of power. Why argue that this doesn’t exist or, even worse, that it is more acceptable.

Edit: wish I could provide a link where you could watch the vid. Sadly, I’m constrained by the limits of the internet.

I would agree with your statement that both are wrong. What I see as empowering men is seen as backlash of female empowerment. I'd consider this a result of years of men being forced to remain silent in fear of being called a sexist if they were to point out flaws in modern feminist agendas.

Tate is a moron who given enough rope hangs himself with his lack of brain cells and stupid comments, he still isn't wrong on a number of points especially regarding men in today's society who are subjected to constant belittlement from feminists and how they're treated. .

Fair enough. The sad thing is, what you’re speaking about leads men to following Tate’s toxic belief, which goes back to why I think this video is important in today’s online landscape.

Id actually love to meet someone who believes Tate is infallible. Just out of gross curiosity and then have them checked for a mental deficiency. I'm yet actually meet anyone who does, anyone I've talked to about him takes his ideologies with a pinch of salt at best while also reiterating what I've said earlier and him hitting home with so many examples and calling the bullshit on them. If anything it's a vice video that is stirring up views from people that refuse to acknowledge that their own ideas are wrong.

At the end of the day it's a crazy and fun world we live in, but as they say it takes all kinds to make it go round. Except people who hurt dogs they can find their place in hell.

Haven’t had time to watch it yet. But I agree the internet has absolutely contributed to the radicalization of many people. The extreme echo chambers we create allow people to validate their crazy ideas like never before.