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brianpeiris OP t1_j3a7b0k wrote

This is a clip from the end of an hour long discussion. Would recommend watching the whole thing if you're interested. It was great to see these higher-education teachers discuss AI so candidly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7aW6vStBw

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JohnDivney t1_j3cqvyv wrote

Thanks, terrific video. Have you looked at resources showing how to do some of the amazing chatgpt manouvers they talk about? Like, tutorials in how to create iterative work?

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brianpeiris OP t1_j3d66ay wrote

I don't think there are fixed guidelines out there yet, it hasn't been out very long. There also may be less use for fixed guidelines. Unlike Stable Diffusion, your interactions with ChatGPT are really dependent on what the context is and what the domain is. That said, there are plenty of videos on youtube of people exploring it and also communities on reddit like /r/ChatGPT and /r/singularity

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hamb_sammich t1_j3ey71j wrote

I started teaching five years ago and I’ve been showing chatgpt to my aunt that’s about to retire after 30 years. She loves the profession and most importantly has an empathetic heart for students that is very rare. She’s floored with the technology and completely embraces what’s here and coming with chatgpt. As she sees it, the tech makes the weak links in education apparent because the main complaint for her is that many curriculums do not engage students to critically think or just flat out engage in their work. Now chatgpt comes along and makes much of what teachers rely on as a measure to gauge student learning irrelevant. If teachers aren’t paying attention- what I gather from my colleagues there aren’t many- and figuring out ways to use this as a tool to elevate instruction we’re going to find it pretty difficult to justify our jobs in the future.

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variablethisisknife t1_j3a9z6l wrote

Man I saw this thing on TV earlier today then read about it four other times on different social media, now here, talk about trending!

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Interesting-Clerk-91 t1_j3bh6r9 wrote

If the AI is based on what it can find on the web then it is worthless for everything that doesn't entail answering Jeopardy questions. And if you're teaching a survey course, you already know that you're job was in danger of being replaced by videos.
Someone is hoping to get rich selling another idiot bot.

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akmp40 t1_j3blouz wrote

If you wanna get answers to Jeapardy just use Google. AI like chat GTP is not google, the diffrence is that they have the possibility to answer more complex questions than jeopardy questions. I've used it to answer or to get more insight on questions even for advanced college courses. (With successfull and unsuccessful results of course)

I googled when AI could solve Jeopardy questions better than a human and it was 10 years ago

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forgiveangel t1_j3bnrth wrote

I hope that AI can stream line more menial tasks, but . Small example, traveling in 2000 vs 2023, using the map vs a smart phone. Weirdly enough, I hope it's use may promote more critical thinking. At least in it's current form. It isn't perfect, so we become more editors then "writers". But need to challenge it in order for it to adjust to ours specific needs. Once adjust that tool become second nature. Almost like the time takes to learn a skill. In principle, it sound greate to off load that "stress" of learning, but I do have my concerns. For one thing, current social media's entire business model is centered around abuse's the dopamine pathways that were probably designed for something less intense and more infrequent. So, if we alleviate some stresses of mastery, how will the human body adapt? Maybe humans need some amount of stress to thrive? There is still so much to understand, esp for me to understand.

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Interesting-Clerk-91 t1_j3bp0k1 wrote

"I hope that AI can stream line more menial tasks... "

Yes, more of this please. If I can give AI a series of verbal commands on how to do a tedious task like editing thousands of pages of text and use the proper images supplied that correspond to the text. This is the proper use of AI. There are millions of redundant tasks that can't be simply automated because they need to be context sensitive. I'm not expecting it to do it perfectly, but a base line starting point so I don't have to start from scratch is what is desperately needed. Or a means of interpreting abstract data like images.

I don't want or need a trivia bot. And everyone is coming out with a trivia bot that is more or less the same as the other trivia bots and then wanting to start a company with a 20 billion dollar valuation. I'm sick of that crap.

I don't want a chatbot. I feel like these are really useful propaganda tools. We're at a point where, how can you know that I'm not a bot?!

At some point in the future the bots are going to be spamming the hell out of social media platforms if they aren't already. It'll be one bot fighting another bot.

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forgiveangel t1_j3br6t9 wrote

> This is the proper use of AI

I'm not sure I'd agree, but I also don't disagree. It is still in the early stages of what is possible and getting it in the hands of consumers. For me, I find it helpful to connect abstract thoughts like, a Shakespearean style rap song about the struggles of putting on a shoe. Or in my day to day, connection two programming related tools together. It's like amazing for being curious as if you were a 5 year old asking "why?". The danger comes from just accepting without challenging which I may have stated earlier.

> If I can give AI a series of verbal commands on how to do a tedious task like editing thousands of pages of text and use the proper images supplied that correspond to the text.

We are already see similar use cases at least on a simpler level. Cover letters can be generated from job descriptions and resume, click bait short article/blog shops are nearly obsolete. > At some point in the future the bots are going to be spamming the hell out of social media platforms if they aren't already. It'll be one bot fighting another bot.

Yea, we need critical thinking and personally my hope is that we move away from the need of social media, or at least moves to 4th place in our attention, students using it for their homework. To me, holding back progress to keep an old system doesn't help. AI has the potential to change our current systems, but as it is a tool it can go off the other end as we've seen in movie with AI taking over, but I think is will be more corporate greed/ people in power may use it for control. Hence, why being skeptical and critical thinking is now more important then ever.

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CornishCucumber t1_j3d0o07 wrote

So it's great for single answers, or to get a bit of depth on a topic - but it has massive flaws at the moment for career specific things like programming.

I've used both Chat GPT and CoPilot for front end and back end engineering and it's shite for anything that consists of anything more than a personal project. It has no context of scope, or of any new frameworks that have been released in the last 5 years. It gives answers that are mixed between functional and object orientated programming. It's not consistent either, for example, it will bounce between using the composition API and the options API in the Vue framework.

When giving advice on using Google API endpoints it will often target deprecated tech. On more than a few occasions, I shit you not, if it doesn't know the answer it will just lie and make up API endpoints - it's fucking hilarious. It needs to avoid data sources from unreliable and old frameworks like Stack Overflow.

Copilot is much, much better, but is still completely clueless for anything that goes beyond the scope of a simple piece of programming. If you want a piece of global functionality on a large application it'd be absolutely clueless. Now, you could say that this is indicative of it being in it's early stages, or because GPT doesn't have any data from the last year - but I think this is more of a problem with taking data from inaccurate and outdated sources. The more frameworks and programming evolves (which at the moment is A LOT), the more outdated the AI will become. I could spot an AI project from a mile off.

However, great for small one / two lines of code and to help emulate paired programming.

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FurriedCavor t1_j3ctpyc wrote

You know many people do web searches to facilitate doing their jobs right?

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Interesting-Clerk-91 t1_j3cwlaz wrote

Do you know how many people have poor reading comprehension skills?

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DraslinHDF t1_j3czh6q wrote

Almost as many people as those who lack witty retort skills.

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Dormage t1_j3cpqgi wrote

AI is not a just a database capable of better searchint thrn users typically are. Its not your typical search engine either. The fact it used the web as the source of info is not at all limiting it. It is able to make use of that and make new ideas, solved problems that are not on the web.

There are also different knowledge types, not everything is declerative knowledge as Jeopardy. Its able to do much more then that.

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Polybius_is_real t1_j3cbzmt wrote

ChatGPT has already been neutered, so as long as an AI isn't 100% free without built in constraints that what he discribes wont happen.

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brianpeiris OP t1_j3c5lzi wrote

I'd encourage you to watch the discussion. It's very clear that they understand this tech and are thinking of this more deeply. They also do not present themselves as ivory tower experts. They admit that they need to re-think education in the face of these technologies. It's unfair to dismiss them on prejudices.

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Swing-Prize t1_j3c6v6e wrote

yet the technologies in question are developed by scientists and researchers, not your casual far from science devs. some people go to get a degree, some for challenges and peers. you might not even fall under the former camp. this education at least passes the core knowledge which is the most important before branching out.

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