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Corey307 t1_j4garns wrote

Reply to comment by Eagle_Arm in Decentering Whiteness in Hiking and Fostering Inclusivity Outdoors by honeybeedreams

Not really because there’s not much I can do about those things. I mostly focus on things I have control over like having a bit of extra supplies and past EMS training so I can help people. Similarly I always used to bring a bag so I can pack out my trash and some collected trash. Of course it would be preferable if everybody was respectful in nature but that’s not going to happen.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gb70q wrote

So you do care then.....why not just say that?

This savior schtick is kinda old.

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Corey307 t1_j4gblvg wrote

I think you’re approaching this the wrong way, these are the values I grew up with and you seem offended by them. I can’t change human behavior and trying to would be met with nothing but hostility and people would just double down on their bad behavior. I personally prefer solitude but I also like helping people and have the skills to do so so why wouldn’t I? It’s not about being savior it’s about living in a society where people don’t have to know each other or even like each other to be kind and help people if they need help. I don’t have to know someone to be willing to help them just like if I see a car broken down in winter.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gcgej wrote

Phew, you're taking it even further now.

Isn't it a lot more work to write out all those paragraphs rather than just saying, "I do care, but it won't change the outcome."

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Corey307 t1_j4gcmtc wrote

It’s really not a lot of effort and I don’t understand why you’re being so negative. It seems like you want to argue and that’s not beneficial.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gd5p1 wrote

I'm not being negative. You said you didn't care about others' actions on trails....then you said what you do prefer what people do....so you care.

You're just not acknowledging that and then went on a "how I help people" side quest that had nothing to do with the original point.

So you diverted the point to talk about how you're a good person....how is that not being self-righteous or having a savior complex?

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stinking_badgers t1_j4gdwvn wrote

You’re being incredibly negative. The other commenter says they care but they try to not focus on it and instead do something positive. You spin that as some savior complex thing. You are wrong here.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gebmg wrote

Show me any one of their comments in this comment thread that doesn't show them as a savior for others who can't help themselves? Just send the link or copy/paste it.

Oh, it's all of them.

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stinking_badgers t1_j4gixf9 wrote

No thanks, because I’m not obsessed with arguing. That would be you.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gj7vf wrote

I'd say it's having you back up your point, but you already know the answer to the question because you can't find it. Is this the part where I add, you are wrong here?

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stinking_badgers t1_j4h3n6q wrote

Yes, keep it up, I’m sure you’re winning!

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4jtdyf wrote

I mean, not much of a conversation or argument. You pointed out something that is easily disproven and then refused to acknowledge that.....so I guess you're going with the toddler route of yelling and then sticking yor fingers in your ears.

Is holding your breath next?

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Corey307 t1_j4gf6bc wrote

No. I think I made it pretty clear that I don’t worry much about things I can’t fix and I try to not let them detract from my own experiences or enjoyment. I talked about being part of a community and how we don’t always like everyone in that community but we can still be kind to each other. I don’t go around tutting at everyone who does things that I don’t like.

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