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nolyfe27 t1_j4g1h6j wrote

Guarantee if you are black and on a hiking trail nobody will harass you or think anything of it

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4g270y wrote

There's people out there who care about other people in the trail?

All I care about is people not blocking the path, littering, people not yelling/being overly noisy, and dogs on leashes.

After that, I don't care about much. Just four simple things.

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Corey307 t1_j4g8bax wrote

The only thing hikers should care about imo is that other hikers are OK. Are used to hike a lot when I was younger and always carried extra water, bleeding control supplies or an improvised splint in case somebody needed some help. Otherwise you do you.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4g9otj wrote

So you don't care about people yelling or playing loud music on trails, standing and blocking the way, throwing their trash in the trail or letting their dogs run around other people?

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Corey307 t1_j4garns wrote

Not really because there’s not much I can do about those things. I mostly focus on things I have control over like having a bit of extra supplies and past EMS training so I can help people. Similarly I always used to bring a bag so I can pack out my trash and some collected trash. Of course it would be preferable if everybody was respectful in nature but that’s not going to happen.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gb70q wrote

So you do care then.....why not just say that?

This savior schtick is kinda old.

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Corey307 t1_j4gblvg wrote

I think you’re approaching this the wrong way, these are the values I grew up with and you seem offended by them. I can’t change human behavior and trying to would be met with nothing but hostility and people would just double down on their bad behavior. I personally prefer solitude but I also like helping people and have the skills to do so so why wouldn’t I? It’s not about being savior it’s about living in a society where people don’t have to know each other or even like each other to be kind and help people if they need help. I don’t have to know someone to be willing to help them just like if I see a car broken down in winter.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gcgej wrote

Phew, you're taking it even further now.

Isn't it a lot more work to write out all those paragraphs rather than just saying, "I do care, but it won't change the outcome."

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Corey307 t1_j4gcmtc wrote

It’s really not a lot of effort and I don’t understand why you’re being so negative. It seems like you want to argue and that’s not beneficial.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gd5p1 wrote

I'm not being negative. You said you didn't care about others' actions on trails....then you said what you do prefer what people do....so you care.

You're just not acknowledging that and then went on a "how I help people" side quest that had nothing to do with the original point.

So you diverted the point to talk about how you're a good person....how is that not being self-righteous or having a savior complex?

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stinking_badgers t1_j4gdwvn wrote

You’re being incredibly negative. The other commenter says they care but they try to not focus on it and instead do something positive. You spin that as some savior complex thing. You are wrong here.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gebmg wrote

Show me any one of their comments in this comment thread that doesn't show them as a savior for others who can't help themselves? Just send the link or copy/paste it.

Oh, it's all of them.

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stinking_badgers t1_j4gixf9 wrote

No thanks, because I’m not obsessed with arguing. That would be you.

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4gj7vf wrote

I'd say it's having you back up your point, but you already know the answer to the question because you can't find it. Is this the part where I add, you are wrong here?

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stinking_badgers t1_j4h3n6q wrote

Yes, keep it up, I’m sure you’re winning!

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Eagle_Arm t1_j4jtdyf wrote

I mean, not much of a conversation or argument. You pointed out something that is easily disproven and then refused to acknowledge that.....so I guess you're going with the toddler route of yelling and then sticking yor fingers in your ears.

Is holding your breath next?

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Corey307 t1_j4gf6bc wrote

No. I think I made it pretty clear that I don’t worry much about things I can’t fix and I try to not let them detract from my own experiences or enjoyment. I talked about being part of a community and how we don’t always like everyone in that community but we can still be kind to each other. I don’t go around tutting at everyone who does things that I don’t like.

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sound_of_apocalypto t1_j4g8zi4 wrote

My wife and I hiked Mt. Osceola and wanted to take some photos at the overlook but one family (that was not white) hogged the spot for the entire time we were there (we even ate lunch). They refused to decenter themselves. This is not a race thing, it's a considerate person/non-considerate person thing and maybe more of an urban person in nature thing or entitled person thing, I don't know. We never once attributed their behavior to their race.

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maluspalus t1_j4g9qaj wrote

There are Black people sharing their experiences of harassment on hiking trails and while outdoors foraging, birdwatching, etc — what are you basing your guarantee off of? If you’re pulling from the fact that you personally wouldn’t harass someone or think anything of it, that’s great, but it’s just not the reality for a lot of Black hikers

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RatherNerdy t1_j4gfin6 wrote

I mean, I've seen racist POS harass black hikers before and/or make ignorant comments. It's not unheard of.

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cpujockey t1_j4l52n5 wrote

When?! that's awful!

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RatherNerdy t1_j4l61xf wrote

Things I've seen in the last 5-10 years:

  • staring, which is just weird
  • Giving instructions on how to hike; assuming that because a person is black, they are new to hiking
  • A woman that was vocally surprised to see a black family hiking, and gave a shitty "compliment".
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cpujockey t1_j4l68f0 wrote

good lord.

people never stop making go wtf.

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Syncope7 t1_j4mlxkm wrote

Did you call them out on it?

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RatherNerdy t1_j4mq4i1 wrote

  • positioned myself to interrupt staring and acknowledged I was aware of their staring

  • Yes

  • Family handled

Edit: you asked, I responded. There was additionally a lot of context surrounding each situation

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Galadrond t1_j4h4p89 wrote

On the trails around Brattleboro and Putney? No one gives a hoot and will let people be. I can’t speak for other places.

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ArkeryStarkery t1_j4hppy2 wrote

  1. that is a WILD claim for Brattleboro, a town full of white busybodies who hate seeing black people existing

  2. still not germane to the OP

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