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[deleted] t1_j2s1kv1 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Burlington had 5 murders in 2022, the most since 1960 by BoringAccountName78

Dude its only 5. That would be a "good weekend" for any other major city.

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canadacorriendo785 t1_j2sgl46 wrote

That's more murders in a year than Holyoke, Mass with almost exactly the same population as Burlington, has recorded since 2005.

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mattgm1995 t1_j2uhv0c wrote

But Burlington isn’t a major city lol. There’s like 2 major streets and 40k people lol. It would be considered a medium sized town in any state with an actual major city

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[deleted] t1_j2uul00 wrote

What is the major city in Vermont if not this one

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mattgm1995 t1_j2uv5yx wrote

It is a “city” but you referenced it to ‘this would be a good weekend in any other major city’. Boston has 20x the population of Burlington. New York has 200x the population of Burlington. Burlington is absolutely not a major city lol. It has the same population as Salem MA, where the which trials were. It’s ⅓ the size of Manchester NH, also not a major city. Its a tiny city.

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[deleted] t1_j2woedn wrote

What's your answer then

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mattgm1995 t1_j2wsatu wrote

You didn’t qualify that it was within Vermont, you referred to Burlington in the same lens as much larger cities where 5 murders a weekend would be a nice break lol. Sure, Burlington is the major city of Vermont. It is absolutely not a major city

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[deleted] t1_j2wzh8g wrote

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mattgm1995 t1_j2x06bm wrote

I’m sorry you’re so sheltered in VT that you think Burlington is comparable to NYC, Chicago, La, Houston, hell even a medium sized city like Boston.

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[deleted] t1_j2x2g99 wrote

I lived in New York City for 15 years.

What type of autistic are you? Trains? Elevators? Guns?

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[edit] ok i looked its guns. please don't shoot me

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mattgm1995 t1_j2x2tv8 wrote

I’m sorry that that’s your response in 2023.

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[deleted] t1_j2x4o0y wrote

(rainman voice) I’m sorry that that’s your response in 2023.

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Walnut2001 t1_j2syvyn wrote

I don’t think you have ever been to a real city if you think Burlington is a “major city” most towns have higher population than our “city”

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[deleted] t1_j2t4a3r wrote

I lived in Manhattan for 10 years but tell me more about cities.

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Walnut2001 t1_j2t5h1p wrote

Then why tf would u call Burlington a major city 😂

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_j2ucy8p wrote

I got downvoted a bunch a while back for pointing this out. The UN and a bunch of other international organizations got together to define what a “city” was. The general consensus was at least 50k people. Burlington doesn’t even qualify.

>The degree of urbanization is a modern metric to help define what comprises a city: "a population of at least 50,000 inhabitants in contiguous dense grid cells (>1,500 inhabitants per square kilometer)".[19] This metric was "devised over years by the European Commission, OECD, World Bank and others, and endorsed in March [2021] by the United Nations... largely for the purpose of international statistical comparison".[20]

https://blogs.worldbank.org/sustainablecities/how-do-we-define-cities-towns-and-rural-areas

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[deleted] t1_j2t868n wrote

Is it not a major city of Vermont?

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Walnut2001 t1_j2t8mlx wrote

Yeah but that’s not the point. You were trying to compare the “5 murders this year” statistic to actually major cities. NYC has a population of 8.468 million, Burlington’s population is 44,781...

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[deleted] t1_j2tb9ui wrote

There were only 5 people killed there.

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inthepines3000 t1_j2sj751 wrote

Any other major city? Burlington is a neighborhood in a major city.

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Corey307 t1_j2saof0 wrote

What you’re saying is extremely disingenuous, the Burlington murder rate was higher than the city of Los Angeles murder rate in 2021 adjusting for population. It’s like saying that big cities have way more total car thefts than Burlington when Burlington is quite competitive for number of car thefts adjusting to population.

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[deleted] t1_j2scpe5 wrote

How much are you paid by the cops to post this shit all day

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Corey307 t1_j2sfunf wrote

All day is hilarious, I’ve talked about it maybe 2-3 times in the past 2 years. Keep pretending your fake progressive wonderland is going just fine. You don’t know what real progressivism is because your stuck in your bubble.

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[deleted] t1_j2shidn wrote

Ok maybe i was wrong--you're a bot...

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Corey307 t1_j2si5q0 wrote

Says the two month old account. People can have opposing viewpoints. I’m all for progressivism regarding how we treat criminals, the prison should focus on helping people instead of punishing them, teaching them real job skills and giving them mental health treatment. but people who commit crimes need to go to prison and the profoundly mentally ill need to be in humane treatment facilities.

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[deleted] t1_j2sjxve wrote

Your programming is terrible. Dev if you can read this please reboot it

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beep_check t1_j2s1zys wrote

but Burlington is not a "major city"

the city council cut 33% of the police force with no reallocation of funding for public safety. crime is way up in Burlington as a direct result of this foolish move by amateur politicians.

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[deleted] t1_j2s42hd wrote

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HappilyhiketheHump t1_j2s5n3p wrote

Refunding shows that the city council figured out they screwed up. The bonuses are because the people doing the job quit and said “fuck off” to the pricks who persecuted them as a group for the horrible actions of a couple cops in Minneapolis.

They quit, as is their right. They don’t have to come back for more money. The fact that Burlington isn’t getting tons of applicants given the pay they are offering gives insight into how cops view the leaders of the city.

Who wants to work for bosses who are openly hostile to their employees?

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[deleted] t1_j2s93xc wrote

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HappilyhiketheHump t1_j2stv45 wrote

No one is ignoring that or suggesting we ignore that.

But we can’t ignore the stupid move by the city council either.

You wouldn’t ignore that would you?

Both can issues can and do exist at the same time.

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[deleted] t1_j2sv332 wrote

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HappilyhiketheHump t1_j2szvww wrote

So you won’t acknowledge the screwup by the city council. Why not?

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Corey307 t1_j2sba2o wrote

Burlington had 93 cops before the defund movement took off with a maximum of 100. That number dropped down to 60 at one point, nothing you say can invalidate this. And of course they’re having a hard time hiring when no cash bail means people commit crimes even violent crimes and a right back out on the street within a day to commit more crimes including violent crimes. I’ve talked to some Burlington police about this and they’ve been candid about how it feels to arrest criminals who get released within hours and go commit more crimes. A lot of them do genuinely care about their job and the community beyond they can’t get anything done.

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[deleted] t1_j2s32tq wrote

What does that have to do with it? Cops don't prevent murders.

New York City has something like 35,000 uniformed police officers and the city averages almost 2 murders every day.

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beep_check t1_j2sexxx wrote

they also have 8.8M people as of 2020.

if your numbers on nyc homicide rates are correct that's

2.2 x 365 / 8.8M x 100000

9.1 murders per annum per 100,000 people

while burlington's number is

5 / 44,890 x 100000

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