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Winter hiking is great! We have a lot of ice here in addition to snow so micro-spikes are something I’d recommend if you don’t want to slip. My favorite winter hikes are: Ethan Allen park, Mt. Philo, Stowe Pinnacle, and Red Rocks State Park. All are close or in the Burlington area.

Also if you are comfortable driving in winter weather you should be ok. Most rental cars won’t have snow tires so go slow and be safe. Get the extra insurance if you are worried.

Might want to get on dr wait lists now. You can always cancel later if things change.

Good point, what’s the average wait?

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At least 6 months? 🤷🏼‍♀️

What do you mean exactly? Wait lists to add a PCP?

LOL You'd be better off somewhere other than VT.

Saint Michaels College has a great clinical psych master's program and it's all night classes so you can work and attend.

How so?

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Would want to have a Vermont doctor, dentist, maybe specialist as well depending on your needs.

When you call to ask to become a new patient about 50% will say “we’re not accepting new patients”, the other 50% will say our earliest appointment is 6 months from now.”

So, if you don’t get on the wait list (a/k/a schedule an appointment now), if you move here and have a medical need, your only option will be Urgent Care, which is OK, but I think it might be a long wait, in the Urgent Care waiting room, might be more germ exposure if the waiting room is significantly more crowded (though you maybe could wait in your car?) - and it’s better to leave Urgent Care for emergencies, not routine care, right?

Thanks, and that sucks.

There’s definitely a lot of landscaping happening at all the seconds homes around me in the mountains but I feel like people aren’t putting ponds in very often except for cattle…. Sounds like kind of a niche thing but maybe there’s a landscaper that needs them, there’s certainly a lot of trail building and gardening.

We are full

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But do you really want to put more stress on our already fragile ecosystem here? Covid has drawn so many people into this state that we are starting to see the stress cracks in everything here. While I don’t think anyone should have to live in actual fear I think the media has sensationalized a lot of the actual hate towards lgbqt peeps

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I promise it ain’t any better here.

Doubt see ya in 10 months

Doubt it. Good luck finding a place

they never learn until it's too late and they don't have 2k for rent

Vermont is a great place and while more expensive than Ohio, still not as expensive as the coastal cities. It’s tight but doable on a grad student stipend - the nice thing is that many fun things (hiking, swimming, etc) are free and close. Pm if you want to talk grad school programs.

I had to wait only a month. There are people accepting new patients you just have to look around.

Spending that much in Ohio rn 🤷🏻‍♀️

6 months? That's awesome. Looking at 12 to 13 months right now for dental cleanings here in Southern Vermont.

Why would someone give a crap what your preference is? As long as you're not an asshole? Then I can see people talking shit, but that's more because of being an asshole then because of sexual orientation. Or if you force people to use pronouns if they'd rather not. I honestly very rarely see anyone hate gays for simply being gay, unless they're old or super religious. Which is dumb. Some people I know have no issues with gay people, but get mad over the expectations of having to conform to someone else. I was just curious what homophobia you experience. It may or may not be better, depending on what you consider homophobic. You'll find people who don't like you everywhere. I would guess Vermont would be better though. I travel through Ohio a lot and, yeah, it's fine. But people sometimes forget parts of Ohio feel like you're down south.

People still might not like you, but for other reasons. Like for being from out of state lol. Vermont is quite tolerant though, compared to many other states. Sometimes that's bad. They seem to tolerate addicts and criminals more than I'd like. I think you'll be ok though. I'm not from Vermont either. Vermont lives in its own world sometimes. I'm from all over, And prefer places where people Wear cowboy Boots, but i like the seclusion of Vermont and the fact people tend to mind their business. And it's nice standing out a bit. I don't see many other people wearing cowboy boots, wrangler jeans and pearl snap shirts. If you conform to Vermont and don't try changing it, I think you'll be A ok. Vermont needs more young professionals. And people willing to work. Housing can be tight. It's not as cheap as other places. But I think you can make it work. Sorry if I can't get into more details that pertain to the LGBTQ scene. I know it's thriving for a state of this size. I usually avoid most people because there are too many who are sensitive and get offended over the tiniest things and I don't have time to care. I like people who can take a joke and who know the difference between hate and busting chops. Vermont has its pros and cons, but I'd say more pros. Especially if you're already used to snow and long Winters

But there is services in Ohio you enjoy. Like good internet or drinkable water

Eh I’d rather have crap wifi and sketchy water than potentially not have human rights after every election cycle tho.

I think your being a little hyperbolic

If you are new to the state it's easier to get into a practice. If you're already here and trying to switch, they won't take you. You'll probably be ok.

I doubt it too. People on this sub are always really discouraging to out of staters who want to come here but it's a very progressive state with a lot to offer. It has its shortcomings, of course, but don't be put off by Redditers. You'll see for yourself.

Ok you’re not the one living in bigot land tho so

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You of course realize that Vermont isn’t some liberal Mecca. We have a lot of problems with racism and homophobia. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/us/politics/kiah-morris-vermont.html and https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/its-a-really-tough-time-vandal-throws-rock-through-front-door-of-pride-center/Content?oid=35433630&media=AMP+HTML to name just a few. We even had to appoint someone in public office. https://governor.vermont.gov/press-release/governor-phil-scott-appoints-xusana-davis-vermont’s-first-racial-equity-executive.

Niquette Bay State Park is another good hiking place!

There are downsides - and the weather is the biggest one - but there are downsides everywhere! I don't think Vermont is perfect but I don't really want to live anywhere else, either.

... did a lot of people misread the bit about psych programs as requesting recommendations for finding a therapist?

Huh?

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/proud-boys-plan-to-disrupt-drag-story-event-in-columbus-ohio/

Just a little daily thing, you know casual domestic terrorism but whatever.

As opposed to actually murdering trans people? https://www.mynbc5.com/amp/article/vermont-fern-feather-morristown-update-april-2022/39764285

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I was noticing as I scrolled through the comments that several people were talking about getting on a waiting list for appointments. I couldn't tell if this was meant to be additional things for you to consider or if they misread the part where you talked about applying to masters programs. I wasn't reading their comments that thoroughly, so I may have missed some context. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I have decent internet and water where I live...it really depends on what town you're in and what providers you have.

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