Cold-Try6621 t1_ix2hjuo wrote
I had worked in this program for quite some time, and you are correct. It is an absolute disaster in every aspect. A lot of the hotels are absolutely negligent towards the state guests and their hotel conditions, with some of the staff throughout the state who I had been appalled by their behavior to not just the guests of the state, but people in general. I had witnessed a hotel manager shout orders at a disabled woman who was smoking a cigarrette on one of the curbs in the parking lot, exclaiming that she wasn't allowed to sit while she was smoking. Any disobedience would be met with the threat of eviction, and in the absence of the possibility of eviction, they would often be subjected to intense and consistent harrassment.
And the faults of the program don't lie with the hotels exclusively. I have seen countless incidents where economic services would out right lose or misplace paper work for people in desperate situations, putting people at risk for not only being unable to find housing, but for those who were looking to renew their housing as well. Economic services would also deny housing to most people that would require extra paper work. Immigrants of recent arrival would be looked over because they would have to be assigned a social security number. I only knew of one agent would was legitimately attempting to help, and would not look at the acquisition of a social security number as too much work. It's hard to say how many immigrants have been denied housing because of this.
Another big problem is the people living off of the program themselves. Most of them anyway, but not all. Some of the shittiest people I have ever come across in my life had been involved in this program(Guests, ESD, and Hotel staff.). I knew of one mother who would regularly leave her children unattended for hours at a time, sometimes leaving them with full diapers. Yes, diapers. They were that young. DCF wanted nothing to do with that case. And there were so many other instances of similarity. Some people came as recovering drug addicts, doing their best to change their lives. Many of them good people. But then there were those who had no interest in self improvement, inviting drug dealers and fellow users over to their rooms, threatening the safety of not only sober guests, but those who were trying to recover from addiction as well. Mental health was also a huge concern. I had worked with many people who had needs that far surpassed the hotels' accommodations.
Then there are the actual paying guests who visit these hotels. People who are lied to about hotel involvment in this state program. People who pay a lot of money to enjoy a restful night but who are instead fooled. Kept up at night by domestic disputes, arguments, barking dogs, police and rescue visits, etc. Everytime I would see a paying guest walk in to any of the hotels, I would wish I could tell them to run.
I could go on and on. I have far to many horror stories to share about this program. It is a fucking circus.
Although I would like to add a comment about the Days Inn, and the comment OP had made regarding them. The Days Inn in Colchester was top of the line in terms of the best places to be assigned through ESD. I was there when complaints about the doors not locking were circulating. First of all, it was only one door that was not secure, and to no fault of the door's. Although there is a bit of a security concern. An individual who did not seem to be of sound mind had walked right through the front doors, and began trying to open several doors to find a room to sleep in. They had found a door that was not fully shut and had walked in disturbing the sleeping guest. After the staff had been alerted, and the individual escorted out, the door was tested extensively after the guest had claimed his lock had not worked, allowing the individual access. The door was tested extensively and was found to operate just fine. It seemed the guest hadn't latched their door that night. Of course the guest, in his malcontent, stuck to the narrative that the doors in the hotel were not secure. I can confirm, that that is bullshit. Although, from my experience, the majority of night shift staff that Days Inn has held over the course of this program had often been wholly negligent in their duties. They often do not care enough, or are too busy sleeping, to stop any unidentified persons walking into the lobby at night per hotel policy. I must say though, besides their night time staff, Days Inn had been extremely accommodating to their guests, going so far as to even keep copies of completed paperwork for their guests, for when ESD would inevitably "lose or misplace" said paperwork. Anyone with a complaint regarding Days Inn, was often the source of their own problems.
As I said, I could go on for quite some time. Conclusively, the housing program is an absolute shit show. Composed of careless state workers, negligent hotels, and a vast number of shit people who have no right taking advantage of the program. And I didn't even touch on the role of law enforcement and security personell(Or rather, the lack thereof). The program should be reformed, and be more careful in their selection of applicants. Until then, this program is nothing more than a trash can where the state throws their unwanted, so they can keep their fabled pristine image of the Burlington and Montpelier areas free of the very real and underlying examples of the state's struggle with homelessness, mental health, addiction, and crime.
lindrios OP t1_ix2w5zf wrote
I wanted to clarify that my article mentions the "Quality" Inn and not the "Days" Inn.
The Days Inn is a resounding success within the THP as far as I am concerned. The hotel administration went above and beyond to bring in resources for mental health and substance abuse. Things that DCF/ESD were unable to accomplish. Their hotel is also clean and holds events for the children that are housed there.
The Quality Inn however has administration that's under the impression that they are running a "sober house" of sorts and doesn't adhere to many of the THP guidelines. The google reviews make some interesting accusations as well but I have not been able to confirm those.
I really appreciate hearing your experience with the program, there is a lot to unpack here and I would be interested in more details regarding your time working in the program.
Cold-Try6621 t1_ix3e5jj wrote
My apologies on the mix up. I'm actually surprised I misread that, I am well acquainted with the Quality Inn as well. I had the exact oposite experience with the Quality Inn that I had had with Days Inn. The Quality Inn is quite possibly a humanitarian micro-crisis. Not only have I had horrid experiences there, primarily with the hotel staff, but the rumors and stories circulating among the guests there were beyond concerning and certainly alarming. Not to mention the over all quality of living. The hotel manager of the Quality Inn is not only infamous from mentions of her in online reviews, but among the housing program community as well. ESD, other participating hotels and their staff, and additional involved parties are well acquainted with the renown hostility of that particular hotel and manager.
Green_Message_6376 t1_ix4bahr wrote
What a great and honest synopsis of this Circus. Thanks.
thisoneisnotasbad t1_ix9j0tg wrote
> Then there are the actual paying guests who visit these hotels.
I thought most of these places didn’t take paying guests once they started taking state guests. At least the hotels around where I am no longer take guests that are not from the state.
[deleted] t1_ix3qokp wrote
> Another big problem is the people living off of the program themselves.
I had to scroll past a mere two threads to find an American blaming the victim. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. Americans are such a wicked and cruel people.
Poverty is a failure of society, not the individual.
> This program is nothing more than a trash can where the state throws their unwanted
They're human beings, not garbage. Housing is a human right. That's not just a catchy woke political slogan, either. It's been defined as a basic human right under international law for decades now. That means every human deserves basic shelter, regardless of how rotten they are. Even Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein deserve human rights.
Nemesis_Ghost t1_ix5goos wrote
>I had to scroll past a mere two threads to find an American blaming the victim. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. Americans are such a wicked and cruel people.
You obviously didn't read his whole comment, especially his conclusion. He specifically states that the issue is the program, those running it, and those taking advantage of it to remain the dregs of society. His complaint is not with those who want or need to use the program to help better themselves, but those who do not & actually make it hard for others.
[deleted] t1_ix5hejz wrote
Human rights shouldn't be conditional on using the program "to help better themselves." That's the whole problem! Who the hell do we think we are as a society, to place any demands on someone that we so graciously allowed to live in a dilapidated 150 sq ft room, anyway?
If you want to reform this program, take it out of the private sector. Seize the hotels for these violations, and tell the capitalists they're lucky we don't jail them for fraud. The private sector ghouls stealing $4000/mo in room fees are the only problem I see with this program. Should cost 1/10 of that, really. It's a shitty motel room, FFS.
I don't care if they're shooting heroin all day in that state funded room. Even with the brazen criminality of the private sector on display here, it's still a bargain compared to jail. Jail costs $10k a month.
I also don't care how much nuance that poster caged it in. Their core value underlying it all is they think some people are subhuman, that they don't deserve basic human rights, that housing is something to coerce others with. Always eating from the trashcan of ideology, we are.
Nemesis_Ghost t1_ix5i0q3 wrote
The difference is that we can't save everybody, especially those who do not want to be saved. Tax dollars have to be prioritized, and while we should try to do as much as we can, if someone wants to live a deplorable life they should be let to & not at the expense of those who do not. The people who abuse these programs are the ones who give them a bad name so that the programs become the target for funding cuts. You are naïve if you think otherwise.
[deleted] t1_ix5iium wrote
Oh, for fuck's sake. The scarcity is artificial. We are the richest country in the history of the world. We can afford to house people. The scarcity is artificial. We need to start deprioritizing capitalism instead of human rights. The problem is systemic.
No, what makes the programs a target for funding cuts is this neoliberal brainrot, that makes people think human rights are negotiable to the whims of the market. Print more money. Money isn't even real FFS.
Society has made a conscious choice, to allow a couple rich assholes to spend $44 billion on fucking Twitter by not outlawing billionaires, instead of guaranteeing human rights.
The most amazing part to me is, Housing First policies were pioneered by freaking Utah. You're unironically further right wing on housing policy than the goddamn Mormons. This isn't radical stuff. The status quo of unrestricted capitalism is what is radical.
I am really not looking forward to what liberals like you do when the scarcity isn't just make-believe numbers on a computer screen. You're gonna turn to eco-fascism so goddamn fast, I guarantee it.
Websters_Dick t1_ix5rx5s wrote
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
[deleted] t1_ix5u2y8 wrote
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IrrigatedPancake t1_ix7p68b wrote
The issue is not a lack of tax dollars. It's that politicians who are seen to be helping people voters don't want to associate with get voted out of office.
random_vermonter t1_ix4230b wrote
Yeah I mean, WHO does he think this program is for? You're going to have people who are struggling who may be disrespectful and uncaring because they're in an untenable situation. They may make messes, disrupt the lives of others and do copious amounts of drugs. However, they are still human and should still be off of the streets where they're less of a danger to the public.
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