If it’s okay for you to pull up Malloy signs, I guess it’s okay for me to pull up the rows of “reproductive liberty” signs? Just want to make sure it goes both ways.

Yes they do!

Do what you like, you want people to know you hate women and are a creepy unloved incel that's entirely on you.

No wonder your kid would rather have an eating disorder than live with you.

You post screenshots making fun of what people order through your delivery job. You don’t have a moral leg to stand on.

Pretty sure that's against the law but ok you only have a few more to pull.

Seems pretty small time compared to the Republicans violent coup, terrorism and attacking Democrats husband's with a hammer.

Isn't that shit plastic based? If youre feeling edgy maybe just throw em in recycling or something instead of burning them?

Don't burn plastic ya dingus.

All of which I have seen on actual front lawns - not medians and random roadsides.

Democrats have done their fare share of foul shit as well. Instead of blaming parties for the acts of individuals blame the individuals. If we keep doing shit just because "the other team did it" the cycle never ends

Edit: Nevermind, just checked your post history and your clearly a political nutbag

Sounds like behavior a delivery customer might find objectionable...

They are all over Barre, especially downtown.

It is against the law to take political campaign signs.

Unless they break these rules,

Signs may not be located within state highway rights-of-way or attached to a state or town sign, post or guardrail. Most highway rights-of-way in Vermont are at least three rods, or 49.5 feet. This means that signs must be placed at least 24.75 feet away from the centerline of most highways.

Signs should be removed immediately after the election.

Signs may not be attached to trees.

Signs may not interfere with, imitate, or resemble any official traffic control sign, signal, or device; or appear to attempt to direct the movement of traffic.

Signs may not be located in a way that prevents drivers from having a clear and unobstructed view of official traffic control signs and approaching or merging traffic.

Signs may not be positioned so that they are readable primarily from a limited access facility (which includes the interstates and ramps and some other highways—such as US 7 between Bennington and Dorset).

Signs must be in good repair and securely affixed to a substantial structure.

AOT routinely removes signs in violation. They take them to the nearest AOT garage where campaigns can retrieve them

Never once have I posted a screenshot making fun of a customer. You are lying and you know it. Most of my customers are regulars and have been for over 2 years. I am very professional and treat everyone with respect. It just goes to show how liberals will avoid answering a direct question. I feel sad for you.

People like you are disgusting. You twist the truth to make it likeable to you. I asked a simple question. If liberals can rip up and light signs on fire, I should be able to remove the ones I find disagreeable, correct? Instead of anyone answering my question, you attack me with lies. I am a happy person with lots of loving people in my life. My daughter is hurting because of jealous girls teasing her who are liberal jerks that have been taught by their parents to make fun of those with different beliefs. It’s sad that those who preach tolerance and co exist have no idea what that means.

Yeah that’s not a very good mindset.

Just ignore them. They want you to react, and stealing the signs lets them pretend they're being oppressed.

Exactly. Now they feel even more like this is a war, they need to ‘deploy’ some carpetbagger, etc. etc. Like someone said in another post, ignore this guy. It’ll be over in 9 days.

bOtH sIDeS

"Hell, my MOM is a woman"

She/he/it probably replaced them with Take back Vermont signs.

People are complaining all over about all the signs. If we can opt out of the texts being sent, can we all get the law to change? It’s a waste of money, they are shitty for the climate and they are eyesores. Let’s vote to change political signs to become like billboards.

You're telling me that there's a group of people that remove the signs immediately?? I do not believe that, cuz I've seen signs for months after the elections.

I'm telling you what the law is

Haven’t you lived in Vermont for like 3 weeks?? Get the fuck outta here with that shit. You’re playing into conservatives victim complex when you do shit like this. You’re not changing anyones mind.

https://sos.vermont.gov/elections/town-clerks/polling-place-sign-rules/

If you are interested.

“Liberals” don’t teach their children to make fun of those with different beliefs. You know who famously does? Conservatives.

That’s bush league stuff…just let people have their signs. Don’t like them, don’t vote for them, but don’t be a fascist. Let the votes tell the story. Taking down political signs is pure fascism and is completely undemocratic. Also illegal.

Some people just enjoy being vicious, and they've discovered that with the right politics, they can do it here and be applauded.

Some others might think they're fighting against truly evil opponents and anything they say or do is justified by that. Either way the result is about the same.

Yes, by all means let's go with the red bad blue good mentality instead of actually looking at people as individuals. Yup, historically lumping people with similar beliefs together as one entity has never gone bad

For real…stealing political signs is just step 1 in the fascist handbook. Let the votes be the final judgement, and let people use their (limited) political voice as they see fit and then let your vote do the talking. Stealing political signage is complete bulls**t.

Shut up you fucking dolt, it’s clear to see which side is lousy with fascists, if you can’t differentiate between the two do everybody a favor and stop wasting our air.

That’s not the vibe, dawg!

Yup, all republicans are the same. All democrats are the same. All Jews. All Muslims. All Christians. All blacks. All whites. Generalization is the key to a better future!

The nuance your stupid ass misses is that republicans are tied to a national party that is, as I said, crawling with fascist trash. If you can’t understand that people have made a choice to band together with other like-minded piece of shit individuals, then I’m going to assume you’re supporting them. To summarize- race, ethnicity, whatever, those are not choices, political affiliation is a choice and I’m perfectly happy to judge people based on that choice.

How would you feel if your daughter was forced to carry to term even if there is a high chance of complications or worse? Just a hypothetical because you probably would say that is terrible and you would do anything right? Use your fuckin brain please

What is this sub's obsession with Malloy? If you spent half as much time worrying about the right wingers like Klar who are actually likely to get elected maybe you'd amount to something.

So you must think all Jews and Muslims and Christians are the same then, since that is also a choice.

Equally misguided, sure. But your strawman isn’t the point now, is it?

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How easy it is to say strawman. Why, I could just as easily say it about your argument. But go ahead, keep generalizing millions of people I'm sure it will help the country out

Jeff Tiedrich? Is that you?

We’re talking politics and you decided to bring religion into it, that is by definition a strawman. Please let me know where I’ve diverged from the point.

Actually I'm talking about how generalization isn't a good thing and you brought politics into it

Oh shut up already.

Good argument

It’s a political post Beardly, politics was the basis for this post. Maybe slow down on rationalizing your boot licking and just get back to licking boots.

Stuff it beardo.

Really straining yourself here, aren't you

And what would make me a bootlicker exactly?

When anything and everything upsets your opponent, do something.

Oh no do you live in barre? I was hoping your nut job self lived far away from me lol

Lmaoooo are you really saying liberal kids are teasing your daughter? You are insane.

I mean, if I have to explain it then I feel like my point is made, but I’ll spell it out. Look how many comments your replying to, look at your need to rationalize why you shouldn’t hate the Republican party. Every comment of yours I read on this post provides a mental image of you deep throating Republican boots while you try to use basic arguments to rationalize your position.

Edit: Like seriously. Trying to compare political belief to race or religion. Religion being the more accurate with your argument but still pretty dumb.

I dont give a shit about the republican party. I'm saying dont fucking lump people together because there are shitty people in any fucking group. I guess if not hating millions of people I've never met makes me a bootlicker then serve them up. I'd rather that than be a bigot

This.

You know what decides things around here? Votes. You know what doesn't? Theft. I do not like most politicians, nor their adverts, but if it's thievery you've resorted to then you have joined the other side my friend.

Wasn't that a green party member...? As in, a leftist?

Wanna be a REAL hero? Go pick up all those signs the day AFTER the election.

The majority of these signs will be gone the day after the election - same argument/thread was circulating last election. Then, nobody was posting or complaining about signs because they were gone. My prediction is nobody will be complaining about signs in about a week ;)

But your smooth brain is unable to realize that it’s ok to judge people by their actions. Yikes.

Want to piss him off? Ignore him. Don't dignify his existence with any attention whatsoever.

The winooski circle??? There was I think 10,000 signs

Have you met every single republican or just judging the entire group by the actions of a few? I seem to recall people doing that to muslims back in the early 2000's. Personally I didn't think they were all terrorist but I guess if we're going to judge them by their actions

Isn't that guy from Canada?

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Nope. Q.

High-minded liberals have been saying this about Republican fascists for 22 years. Three stolen presidential elections later, I can assure you, it is not working.

Agency of Transportation (I assume.) So state job.

I promise thievery is not the same thing as armed insurrection

Theft is not fascism, please consult a dictionary

It is. Stealing a political sign is straight out of the fascist playbook. Silence the opposition by illegal means, censor any voice that doesn’t line up with your own…that’s not democratic.

This is a good point.. that’s exactly what I thought about Trump in the run up to the 2016 election. “There’s no way we’re going to elect Trump to be president of the USA!”

They're already illegal where they are, but we don't have the state manpower to enforce.

Honestly same. I thought ignoring him would do a lot fucking more than it did.

It's against the law for them to be on public property. Is it ALSO against the law to take them out of their illegal places? Eh, iffy. That's the sort of question that gets thrown out of court.

Goalpost move there.

The fascist playbook has a lot of tactics, including "convince people who agree with us to vote." Does that mean asking people to vote is "pure fascism"?

Again: please be careful with your words. We have a lot of actual fascism going around right now. This ain't it. Do you need me to copy-paste the definition for you, or can you review on your own?

Ok... These signs are in violation of these laws. They're plastered on the sides of roads highways everywhere, definitely within 24.75 feet of the road center.

Rip em out!

Sounds like you’re Republican trash and your daughter is getting picked on for the brainwashing you subjected her to.

Political suppression is one of the main character traits of fascism…show me a definition that doesn’t include something along those lines…

No. It was a hardcore Q moron.

So you didn't even try to look at a dictionary! I'm really disappointed. Here, I did it for you:

>an extreme right-wing
political system or attitude that is in favour of strong central
government, aggressively promoting your own country or race above
others, and that does not allow any opposition

Can you explain to me how "removing illegal litter that says to vote for fascists" is "not allowing any opposition"?

My point is, stealing the political sign of a candidate that you oppose, silencing that candidates voice is in fact “not allowing ANY opposition”. Hence my use of the term fascism. It’s right in your own frikken definition. JFC

Edit: added “ANY” to satisfy a pedantic and bad faith argument attempt.

I bolded two words there. You wiped one away. Why is that?

I thought they would look funny with a hitler mustache on the beak.

I wonder if the paints/inks on those signs are all ok when burned? Well, from a triage standpoint - it may do humanity less harm regardless than having the images poisoning our children and our heads!

/r/Vermont_Underground/

Ok, I’ll edit it back in…but good on you for trying to ignore that you are wrong by being needlessly pedantic and passive aggressive. You’re wrong, learn something from it.

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Huh?

“Let me compare a religion thats been around since the crusades to a political party thats basically decades old, I’m so smart, that’s how I’ll show everyone I’m right” 😂

You just blow in from stupid town?

>My daughter is hurting because of jealous girls teasing her who are liberal jerks that have been taught by their parents to make fun of those with different beliefs.

Lmao okay buddy

How are these signs breaking people’s brains? It’s not a big deal

I didn't ask you to edit it back in. I asked you why you took it out. It's no small distinction!

There is a huge difference between "no opposition is allowed" and "some opposition is not allowed". It is the difference, in fact, between fascism and "no fascists in our democracy."

Maybe next time consider the words you use.

It’s a fascist move. You can spoilt hairs and move goalposts all you want, that won’t change the fact that trying to silence any or all political speech is fascist. The degree to how extensive those attempts to silence are determine the level of fascism.

Silencing ONE candidate is fascist, and silencing ALL candidates is fascist. It’s only a matter of degrees, but the action of silencing a candidate, any candidate or all candidates is fascist.

Because age is important in some way? So organizations like the ACLU or any Union are invalid because they're not thousands of years old?

They are illegaly placed. The state is obligated to remove them immediately, but they dont have manpower. Op is just being a good citizen and helping the AOT out.

Its perfectly legal to pull up signs that are placed on public road sides. As long as op isnt working for a campaign. The signs are not supposed to be there in the first place.

Ah yes, the tolerance of intolerance paradox.

My man, you're burning plastic. That gives off toxic fumes...are...are you ok?

The signs op took are illegaly placed. Its not theft its civil service. Op is Cleaning up roadside garbage.

I stole a car and ran it into a telephone pole. It seems pretty small time compared to the Republican's violent coup, terrorism, and attacking Democrats husband's with a hammer. So it was ok.

It’s merely a function of democracy, and an example of the marketplace of ideas, and how voting is the best form of protest against a candidate or ideology you dislike.

Its not theft like all the malloy schills are saying it is. Its being a good citizen and cleaning up roadside garbage!

They are actually just printer paper with wooden stakes. They aren't like normal campaign signs. Im assuming a bunch of his supporters are just printing them out at home and spamming the roadside with them.

Yes but the marketplace of ideas and freedom of speach also allows me to pick up illegaly placed roadside signs and destroy them. Im not limited to just voting. I can also speak out against this dumbass.

... buddy...

do you really think nazis should get to march in the streets because silencing them would be fascist?

The signs would be picked up anyway by the AOT since they are illegaly placed, but the malloy schills are spamming them faster than they can be picked up.

Op is just helping the state out. I really feel like we dont need to "just ignore him" when like. He spams them everywhere. And they are impossible to ignore

In the US, Nazis (and others with abhorrent views) have the right to march. If you don’t like that, you don’t like our constitution. That’s how democracy works.

Unless you’re the appointed election official with the jurisdiction to remove illegal signs, I believe that it is a crime to remove them.

r/iamatotalpieceofshit

THat's not what I asked! I know perfectly well what the laws are. I'm asking if you think it's fascist to stop them.

The questions of "is the USA fascist" and "does our constitution enable fascists" are totally different areas. Don't hide behind the law when you don't want to say your opinion.

I’ve made it very clear that I believe it is fascist to remove, steal or destroy political signs. You want to protest a Nazi? Show up where they speak, and show up to vote.

Yep, I think you've shifted from "this is a fact in the dictionary" to "this is my belief" very neatly. Much harder to debate that way! Good job.

I don't actually want to protest the Nazis in-person, because, you see, I want to live. But taking down their signs and doing other indirect protest is fascist, right? It's only non-fascist if I show up to get shot.

Thanks for bringing more publicity to malloys campaign, just mailed in my ballot with a vote for Malloy, please keep making these posts :)

They should feel oppressed. These new fascists need to be beaten back and should fear ever speaking the shitty things they believe and want.

Nothing I’ve said contradicts the definition of fascism you cited. If you think it does, kindly point out the contradiction.

The signs hes talking about are just like printer paper.

I just deployed a big malloy into my toilet

Whenever I see them, the eyes and the beak look like a drawings of the ovaries, Fallopian tubes and uterus…anyone else see that?

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Not if they are placed illegaly.

Unless it’s on your private property, it’s not legal to remove or destroy political signs.

I hear ya. It's just that their propaganda machine is so good at twisting up grievances and using it to justify their shitty behavior, I'd rather not give them extra fuel for their hatred over something as minor as too many campaign signs.

I suppose it could be argued I need to stop being "reasonable" when dealing with fascists. It's hard to fight this shit in good faith.

Fair point.

You're right, and I struggle with this issue. I don't want them living in my head rent-free, but I also don't want them running the government and destroying our democracy. It's almost impossible to engage in good faith, and stooping to their level isn't generally constructive. I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I guess I need to stop being incredulous that people actually believe their propaganda and find a way to negate their influence in whatever small ways are available to me.

Why do we all need to fight about this stuff. The Left and Right both have positive things within them. I’d like to challenge us all to speak about politics using only logic and practicality and not party names.

If you do see someone putting out this many corrugated plastic signs you can turn them into igloos by duct taping them together.

Totally. The only tactics I've ever seen work have been swift, decisive, and usually illegal. Richard Spencer got cold-cocked on national television and it destroyed him forever.

Why should I? You haven't answered a single question of mine in good faith.

What is illegal about them? That they are on the side of roads and not in lawns?

Yes

For sanity? Absolutely...

They mark the houses for the kids to avoid trick or treating as it's statistically a much higher probability that houses with these signs are inhabited pedophiles.

Ok troll. I’m done with you. I hope you someday mature to the point where you can admit you’re wrong. Good luck!

Nah, there is a massive difference at this point and I'm tired of pretending their isn't

You’re the problem then I’m sorry to say. The second you choose to not allow a discourse is the second you choose to stop trying to empathize.

The one I took down at Farrell st and Eastwood was plastic over metal.

Are you my neighbor?

Probably.

I live in the Olympiad.

Yup I'm across the parking lot in stonewood.

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It's litter removal. If the signs aren't real signs and are just being thrown everywhere you could argue that each one is a $62 fine.

Wrong state my man.

https://sos.vermont.gov/elections/town-clerks/polling-place-sign-rules/

Shit. my bad. Long night.

Na man they are plastic over metal stakes. If it was printer paper it wouldn't last past the rain.

Man you posted a month ago about how you had to leave your home and move here because of political fights you got into. This is how you make more trouble.

I commented "I feel that anywhere you go, if you are very intensely focused on trump world politics you will find the same type of people responding to you."

Vermont is not a typical liberal state. People have traditionally just minded their own business and left their neighbors alone. This is why people like Malloy, who wants to impose his morality on people, will lose. If you buck the culture here and pick fights with people, even dumpy conservatives from out of state, you will find your entire community rejecting you, including the liberals. It isn't about a political beef, it's about bringing that type of shit to our state.

Stealing signs isn't what fascism is. It's still stupid though and goes against how people live here.

> No wonder your kid would rather have an eating disorder than live with you.

wtf

But it is fascist! Anytime anyone tries to step on free speech it’s fascism. And stealing/destroying political signs is an infringement on that candidates speech.

So if an authoritarian communist takes it down is that fascist?

Yes, just like if an American Democrat or Republican did it…the action itself is fascist.

I think you are confused about fascism vs authoritarianism.

Both communists and fascists can be authoritarian but they are ideologically opposed to each other by definition.

Taking a sign is not what the term fascism means.

I’m not making any such distinction. I am saying, and have been saying, very clearly, and I’ll repeat it again, removing/destroying political signs is a fascist act, regardless of what the political alignment of the person doing it holds.

Infringing I’m political speech is fascist. Period.

How's it feel supporting a candidate who will lose handily?