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deadowl t1_iua601e wrote

Reply to comment by Mechanicjohn12 in Vermonters—legalize eagles asshole Mallory is a Jan 6th supporter by Jsr1

Are you saying the attack at Fort Sumter was a Union act of aggression?

Edit to add: what about all those attacks suppressing free elections in "Bleeding Kansas" against anti-slavery settlements preceding Lincoln's election?

Another edit re: Bleeding Kansas: There's literally misinformation on abolitionist gravestones there going into the 1900s so that they wouldn't get disturbed. For instance, this guy who has close Y-DNA markers to people paternally descended from ancestors of mine.

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Mechanicjohn12 t1_iuahwm7 wrote

No, that’s not even remotely what I am saying.

The attack on fort Sumter had nothing to do with slavery and was purely about jurisdiction at that point. The south claimed the fort as their own, and that it was there property as it was within their borders.

The attack at fort Sumter was clearly southern aggression; albeit nobody died during the “battle”. Hell, nobody even knew that the attack of Sumter would be the “beginning” of the Civil War.

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deadowl t1_iuai2ne wrote

You've breezed over my points on what had already been going on in Kansas though.

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Mechanicjohn12 t1_iuaiecw wrote

What happened in Kansas, I would say, was internal struggles being propagated by both political factions trying to plant their foot to gain control.

Slavery back then was a massive ethical issue for the nation. People were willing to kill both to uphold the institutions, and to abolish.

Edit: you didn’t even respond to what I had said

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deadowl t1_iuaj4f2 wrote

Nope, I'm saying you gave an incomplete response.

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Mechanicjohn12 t1_iuajmju wrote

Nah dude you’re just unwilling to actually engage and discuss

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deadowl t1_iuajx0b wrote

Your words:

> Only ~5% of the south were slave owners. Most of the slave owners never picked up a rifle to defend the institution of slavery. Ask yourself why did the poor men of the south decide to fight and die against the Union? Was it because they just loved slavery?

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Mechanicjohn12 t1_iuak5yb wrote

Can you critically read? Is that me saying the CW wasn’t fought over slavery, or that the people who actually fought the battles had nothing at all to do with slavery?

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