Most-Sundae-2194 t1_istwh6l wrote
Reply to comment by Kixeliz in Liam Madden on Rebirthing Democracy (Podcast) by pjdog603
While I agree it could be viewed he's gaming the system, the Republicans didn't really put their best foot forward with Ericka... Further, his policies are both dem/repub so he could really align with either, so the gaming the system is debatable and all this could be a consequence of him trying to win.
Anyway, I'm not sure how you go from gaming the system to political stunt. Seems like that's you're opinion, which is fine, it'd make it easier for me to understand if you stated that. If it's not your opinion then I'm all ears on the logic from, trying to win to a political stunt.
Kixeliz t1_istxl9p wrote
> He ran as a Republican because he knew he had no shot as a Democrat. Promised to ditch the Republicans if he actually got the nomination, then forgot to actually register as an independent so he had to keep the nomination.
What about this sequence of events, which he has admitted took place, doesn't strike you as a political stunt? This is someone we should trust to be a public servant? The guy who apparently isn't all too concerned with deadlines and getting proper paperwork filed? Is this one of those situations where everyone and their brother can see the sky is blue, but you need it in writing to believe it?
Most-Sundae-2194 t1_isu03dl wrote
Perhaps the disconnect is in definitions: I would characterize a political stunt as something with no intention to really win, but to start building a brand.
I don't need it in writing, but a bullet point list of the specific things you don't like, such as "he didn't meet the deadlines and was non chalant about it, here's the video clip <http://liam-misses-deadline.com>" would def be helpful.
I think I understand where you are coming from, you are concerned about his attitude towards the job and I have seen evidence that supports that.
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You used abstract concepts to roll up what you did not like about him, not everyone is as informed as you are. You use political stunt/gaming the system to summarize -> that you didn't like how he missed the deadlines, since it is important to be able to abide by the bureaucracy in order to be an effective politician.
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Thanks for bringing my mind to that info, that is a good point. I think this goes back to my initial comment, he's not ready, summary -> he's immature. Give him 10 years and his naivety will wear down and he'll realize he needs to be able to play the game.
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Kixeliz t1_isu1abf wrote
Stunt: one performed or undertaken chiefly to gain attention or publicity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stunt
Now what would you call someone running in a particular political party's primary with the stated goal of rejecting the nomination so they can run as an independent once they get name recognition?
Most-Sundae-2194 t1_isu4v51 wrote
You are making the leap that it's for name recognition, that may be so. What I'm struggling with is it is not clear to me that, that is his goal. It may be due to a lack of following the topic. All I found on this was:
https://www.wcax.com/2022/08/10/madden-face-balint-us-house-race/
and a few others, that regurgitate the above content. From that what I can know is that Liam would take the nomination or decline in order to best position him to win. This could be viewed as gaming the system but is not necessarily the accurate conclusion. It is his stated open that he is anti party, so he is going to try and mess that up as best he can, I have not considered that ramifications of that heavily and that could be bad. But it is still not clear that he did the above for name recognition, sure that's a possiblity, but with the information I have, which are the links above, I don't see how that is any more plausible than say he wants to destroy the two party system, or he really wants to win.
If you want to help, please provide me with information. If you think this is something obvious, then there is clearly some information I'm missing. Otherwise thanks for the discussion.
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