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FyuckerFjord t1_je3ws7g wrote

Reply to comment by Azr431 in PSA: Starbucks on Shelburne Rd in South Burlington is only unionized Starbucks in VT by willynillyslide

I'm pro-union (except for police unions) but understand unions won't work in industries with revolving door employment - that's what's happening here and with some supermarkets that have unionized. Unions work best in skill occupations. But everyone can try to unionize - just expect bad results if the company sees swarms of "disposable" employees lined up behind you waiting to work the job for 5 months before leaving. The company has no reason to kowtow, and that's just how it is. Sucks.

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Azr431 t1_je4mxyu wrote

That’s a reasonable position.

If the wages were better, the revolving door effect wouldn’t be present as much. Perhaps they accepted less than they should have because their leverage was low or they undervalued themselves. These one-off outlier shops are really hard to gauge the metrics that drive the outcomes. I think unions should be present from the most unskilled jobs to the most. That’s the only thing that will ever shift the power dynamic from the bourgeoisie class to the people.

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FyuckerFjord t1_je4uu77 wrote

That's the thing here: Starbucks hasn't even started negotiations with ANY of the nationwide shops that unionized. They simply raised pay for all shops except ones that voted to unionize, telling these "union shops" they'd have to wait for negotiations to work out their pay raises.

In particular to the Shelburne location: all the union-planning employees have left (revolving door) and none of the current employees want to step up to represent the store during talks...not that Starbucks is even ready to talk.

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Azr431 t1_je4x31i wrote

Classic union-busting behaviors from their virulently anti-union POS CEO

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FyuckerFjord t1_je50omo wrote

Schultz is appearing before Bernie's committee today to answer for just that.

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JustMakingChange t1_je502vy wrote

you can't pick and choose unions. if your for unions then it's unions period. not unions* (except police).. thats how bullshit like this happens.. thats like saying I like all blacks* (except the light skin onces.. they got to be in the house) .. like wtf

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FyuckerFjord t1_je519f4 wrote

No, fuck that. Cops use their union to literally get away with murder while keeping their jobs and pensions.

And fuck you for trying to compare that to slavery and racism. There's no such thing as a blue life - you can take the shirt off. Black people can't take their skin color off, and cops are shooting them because of it and using unions to get away with it.

Wow. The lion the witch and the audacity of this bitch to try to compare indoor and outdoor slaves to being against how police unions sanction murder.

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JustMakingChange t1_je5690p wrote

your fake outrage is sad. I'm black. I don't much care for police but I also don't agree with being a hypocrite. what you wrote up there is complete nonsense.. soo please continue with your fake outrage...

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FyuckerFjord t1_je5cew6 wrote

Fake outrage? Pfft. I grew up in the South Bronx where we survived the cops more than we did the streets. My eyes were forced open literally at gunpoint on playgrounds as a kid.

You may be black, but you're also a fucking moron if you don't see the problem with police unions. Take that shit to St. Elsewhere.

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