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Pyroechidna1 t1_jby78ue wrote

Reply to comment by n0noTAGAinnxw4Yn3wp7 in Vermonters join growing opposition to Atlanta’s ‘Cop City’ by n0noTAGAinnxw4Yn3wp7

This has the same flavour as some of the hysteria over the Dakota Access Pipeline

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weewillywhisky t1_jby82k9 wrote

I mean police have already murdered an un-armed protester....

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Pyroechidna1 t1_jby8q1d wrote

Look at the bigger picture

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deebeekay t1_jby9pf4 wrote

Look at the actual picture that is happening.

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Pyroechidna1 t1_jby9tv6 wrote

I did. It’s DAPL all over again

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Human802 t1_jbztoeh wrote

So corporate interests will win at the expense of the environment and people? Just like DAPL?

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R50cent t1_jbya02i wrote

The bigger picture being what?

Is it the assumption that people can't be upset about the demolition of a forest to build a fake city to train police in military tactics? Or more so that you feel as though their outrage is hyperbolic because they're reading into something here that you would assert isn't actually the reality of the situation? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth friend, I'm honestly curious.

If I'm on the mark, I suppose then friend, when you ask about the bigger picture, a lot of the people might see that 'bigger picture' as being the militarization of the police, which they take issue with.

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Pyroechidna1 t1_jbyanys wrote

Is this project the smartest use of this land? Probably not.

Is it designed to train police in “military tactics”? I’m not sure, I haven’t found any sources yet that confirm that.

Do most people who talk about the “militarization of police” have very little knowledge of the subject? Definitely.

It sounds a lot like DAPL in that it has become a lightning rod for people’s justified-but-ill-informed outrage and thus the breathlessly hyperbolic claims start to fly.

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n0noTAGAinnxw4Yn3wp7 OP t1_jbyb970 wrote

i'm guessing the implication here is that you have a lot of knowledge about “militarization of police”—would you mind sharing how?

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Pyroechidna1 t1_jbydtzz wrote

Because I’ve been around the world of public safety and I have taken the time to understand the history and structure of American policing and the myriad agencies involved, and I have also studied how it works in the rest of the world. Your average ACAB Redditor has not.

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R50cent t1_jbydehe wrote

I think I understand why people have the assumption then that this is an escalation of police force and presence. I get the brushback you're giving, but it really doesn't seem hyperbolic, honestly.

If I was personally trying to create some kind of 'ah, but there's more to it' argument, I would point to the fact that they've already stated the 'city' will be used to train emergency services like the fire department in navigating and quickly putting out fires in an urban environment, as well as EMT services with things such as water rescue.

Having said THAT, none of this discounts the very real argument of cutting down 85 acres of forest in Atlanta to accommodate the project, as well as that none of what I just said directly addresses the fear that this space would also be used to train police in various tactics that many would suggest treat civilians as potential threats at best and operators at worst. There's plenty of argument there as well given Atlanta PD's rather varied history with dealing with the local population.

Of the two, I guess I'd probably see the argument of how that 90 million dollars could be better spent directly on training instead of a cool new facility, that arguably sure, has a lot of bells and whistles to it. But I have a feeling this isn't where our disagreement lies. To each his own.

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TheBlindFly-Half t1_jbynk3i wrote

You’re like incredibly out of touch on both the DXL and Cop City. The pipeline has already spilled and is fueling climate change, and cop city is in part a reaction to 2020 US protests against the lack of culpability cops have in the US. Maybe be less of a fascist?

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Pyroechidna1 t1_jbynres wrote

When in doubt, just call your interlocutor a fascist. Works every time, or at least that's what people like you think

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TheBlindFly-Half t1_jbyoqud wrote

The cops in the US follow fascist tendencies. So do oil companies (and most large companies causing harm). It’s well documented. Idk what dialogue you’re getting at, or really what your point is with it being like DXL, which was exploitation of locals (with DXL indigenous people) for something that is incredibly unpopular and detrimental. Sympathizers for the DXL and Cop City need to take an inward look. Especially with how politics will be shaped due to climate change.

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Pyroechidna1 t1_jbyp114 wrote

You mistake me if you think I am a "sympathizer" of DAPL or this so-called "Cop City." But I don't have any respect for the wild-eyed hyperbole of people like you either. Come up with some real solutions and then you can graduate from sitting at the kids' table.

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TheBlindFly-Half t1_jbypt6h wrote

Then enlighten me how this is like the pipeline. Because as someone who protested against both of and joined the BLM movement during the pandemic, this has a very different vibe with different context

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