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MontEcola t1_jdxs517 wrote

I met Jim Douglas when he was a recent graduate from Middlebury College. He came to our house for a meal more than once. That was around 1969 to 1974. He also came to the office where my dad worked, and where my mom worked.

I remember two things about him. He was the only person I knew under the age of 60 who wore his pants above his belly button. This was in the time of bell bottoms and hip hugger jeans. So, it was really awkward.

And I remember he was a member of the Young Republicans, or college republicans. It was a time when I was figuring out the difference between democrat and republican. Through the types of jobs my parents had, I had the opportunity to meet political leaders in both parties. Jim Douglas was one of the few republicans that treated me as a real person at the age of 7 when I first met him. He was polite, asked my opinions and listened to the answers.

Douglas is one of the few republicans I have ever voted for.

I read the article. I was at first surprised, then pissed. Then I read deep into the details and came to my original opinion of Jim Douglas. He is an honorable person and his lawsuit has merit, based on what is included in the article.

Mead made comments about the vasectomy, and said it was worth looking into for more study. 30 years later a different group of people sterilized people with a vasectomy. And to connect those two in a way to imply that Mead supported eugenics is not fair. And, the name Mead was for the Mead family, and not just one person. Furthermore, the contract to build Mead Chapel included money from the Mead family for the construction. Part of the deal was that the chapel would carry the Mead Family name.

I generally don't like republicans. It is rare that I would defend one. Jim Douglas is one of the exceptions. I have not seen him act in bad faith at any time.

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IAndLoveAndYouToo t1_jdxw286 wrote

I think you should read more about this Mead guy - https://vermonthistory.org/journal/87/VH8701SegregationOrSterilization.pdf. He definitely advocated for eugenics way more than just supporting vasectomies generally.

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MontEcola t1_jdy7n2q wrote

OK. I will read up on that. I tried to write my comment to make it clear that my information on Mead was just from the attached article.

Thanks.

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PPOKEZ t1_jdxu760 wrote

He's a decent enough guy. I've met him and, besides some probably religiously motivated opinions that I'd not take, he's a the good apple among the rotten. Therefore he should think more critically about the company he keeps imo, the term "vermont republican" is becoming less and less meaningful to separate from the national story. The term is about as dated as navel high pants in the 70's. Have some guts and denounce the party.

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videological t1_jdyrgys wrote

Jim and Scott going out of their way to endorse John Klar in 2022 put another nail in the "VT Republican" coffin.

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stormy2587 t1_jdyslkh wrote

Can you tell me in what way a private individual suing a private institution from changing the names of one of its buildings is acting in good faith? Because I don’t really understand what legal standing he would have to do this? It seems like just a lawsuit designed to stoke public outrage and score political points more than anything else.

Facts of Mead’s life aside. It wouldn’t seem to matter to me either way. It seems like a pretty frivolous lawsuit.

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funky_ass_flea_bass t1_jdy8kaf wrote

Mead did far more than merely suggest further study of vasectomies. In reality, he suggested vasectomies as one of a few options (in addition to restrictions on marriage and segregation) to control the growing population of “degenerates” in society.

Jim Douglas might be acting in good faith, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he is correct.

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