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cpujockey t1_j8nmvk3 wrote

Reply to comment by idreamofchickpea in How Vermont’s Housing Crisis Got So Bad by punkthesystem

What's wrong with suburbs? The way I look at it if you're middle-class person you should be able to own a home and live in a neighborhood. Yes I get the fact that we need more apartments to fill the void for the lower income bracket of folks but apartment buildings are not going to be the way forward for everyone. There needs to be housing built for every income bracket with the exception being the wealthy as they can just build their own shit / they already have shit.

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idreamofchickpea t1_j8npcbt wrote

Apartments are not just for lower income lol. Don’t get me wrong no one should be too poor for adequate housing but that’s a different consideration. Not that middle class people are doing so well with housing either.

Suburbs are inefficient and unsustainable. I do get that many people like them, not criticizing your taste. Dense housing is the only feasible option I see for the future.

In Vermont I’m not even sure what counts as suburbs, though. What’s a suburb of middlebury (wheee the author lives)? Weybridge?

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cpujockey t1_j8nr4eb wrote

> I do get that many people like them, not criticizing your taste. Dense housing is the only feasible option I see for the future.

I see your point and I respect it. However, I think that dense housing really only works in burlington - that's where the majority of folks are anywho.

> In Vermont I’m not even sure what counts as suburbs, though. What’s a suburb of middlebury (wheee the author lives)? Weybridge?

well - north ave in burlington would be a good example. unless there is some definition of suburbs my highschool education is failing me.

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Intru t1_j8v3qj2 wrote

Density is relatively, most villages and towns in VT have some level of density. Density includes things like duplexes or triplexes, four or five unit apartments buildings. Also a lot of old apartment blocks in small towns are pretty easy to miss you can easily dismiss a three story apartment building in Putney VT or Wilmington with a large single family farm house at first glance. You have the general stores with a unit of housing on top all over the state, that's density. We need to open our minds that we need this type of density everywhere.

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greenglasstree t1_j8sa0z4 wrote

Burlington definitely has suburbs: Colchester, Winooski, Shelburne, Charlotte, Williston, etc.

Burlington needs to densify and add more mid-rise buildings to accomodate working class people.

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Intru t1_j8v2uhv wrote

The problem with the suburbs that they are not resilient long term and are restricted to single family housing and car based comercial, single family housing is that it's the only housing typology allowed in a lot of our residential zoned land. That's the problem its zoned out diversity of housing stock. You should be able to get the housing type you want but when you gate keep it so the only housing you can get is only one type then we create the hot mess we are i.

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cpujockey t1_j8w5bms wrote

I think that you're thinking about HOA and forced neighborhoods. A suburb is just a street block of residential zoning. Then again my definition could be wrong. I'm not very educated.

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