zoolilba OP t1_j91fhuc wrote
Reply to comment by Nanotude in what is up dog hunting in Vermont? by zoolilba
He talked about how hard it is to post your land once. About having to put up new signs every year matter what. And if one falls of by nature your sol if you don't see it.
Nanotude t1_j91fz5z wrote
It does seem pretty onerous for farmers, who may have 100+ acres.
zoolilba OP t1_j91qlkj wrote
Yes
Fonceday2001 t1_j9542nn wrote
Any land used for agriculture does not have to be posted and it is automatically trespassing to enter such land. This is the case in most of the USA, cultivated fields and livestock areas are always No Trespassing whether or not posted.
zoolilba OP t1_j95sehb wrote
Not in Vermont apparently
xxxDog_Fucker_69xxx t1_j91p5lx wrote
Absolutely, I was hunting in Alburgh this year and if I saw a faded posted sign that was placed two years ago you bet your ass I’m going to set up a tree stand if it’s prime territory.
Funny thing is it’s not even illegal to do! Has to be posted in regular intervals and you need to update your signs biannually.
The best deterrent really is to use “no hunting or trapping signs”
Nanotude t1_j924wst wrote
I just don't understand the logic. Even if the signs are out of date, it's clearly the intention of the landowner that there be no hunting on their land. What if the owner fell ill and couldn't update their signs? Or was low on cash? Waterproof signs on a high acreage farm is no small investment. Just because it's legal doesn't mean the hunter isn't being an asshole. Why invite a potential confrontation?
xxxDog_Fucker_69xxx t1_j929yzh wrote
In 8 years of hunting on private and public land in the north east and west portions of the state, I’ve only ever encountered other hunters. It’s not like I’m setting a blind in their backyard. A good portion of posted property is unused and usually skirts public land. if you follow basic courtesy and leave no trace most people will never know you were there to begin with.
If they’re unable to keep it posted or too ill to use their land I see no issues with people doing low impact activities on land they haven’t set foot on in two years.
As for the cost of posted sign you can buy 100 pack for $30. it cost $5 to register your property as posted each year. then you legally have to post signs every 400ft on your property border.
Unable-Bison-272 t1_j92q2s5 wrote
$5 isn’t a lot of money but why should anyone have to pay a fee to keep people off their property?
xxxDog_Fucker_69xxx t1_j93kh2a wrote
Because 80% of people who own more than 50 acres realistically only use 4 acres for their house, garden, and whatever rec space they may have.
I’m specifically referring to undeveloped woodlands that border public and federal land. It’s such a small and trivial fee that if they cared enough about it they would post their own land. Or at the very least put up several bo hunting signs.
walterbernardjr t1_j92j8d1 wrote
Imagine you’re an 85 year old land owner with 200 acres of wooded property. How hard / easy would it be to post every 400 feet? It would be pretty hard I’m sure. It’s not a cost thing.
somedudevt t1_j92nebc wrote
Why the fuck do you need to post 400 acres of woods if your 85 and can’t walk through the woods? That’s the point. Rights are in the constitution. It’s intentionally difficult to post land because it’s not in the interest of the community
walterbernardjr t1_j92tdzf wrote
Because that’s what the law says.
somedudevt t1_j92w30u wrote
The law says it needs to be posted?
lantonas t1_j92lyrj wrote
It shouldn't be easy to infringe someone's constitutional rights.
walterbernardjr t1_j92thv6 wrote
Constitutions are meant to be changed
Jun1p3rsm0m t1_j936xwv wrote
Although, according to the Vt Fish & Wildlife website, you still need permission to set that tree stand, whether the land is posted or open. https://vtfishandwildlife.com/learn-more/landowner-resources/private-land-and-public-access
We’ve have no problem with hunters on our land. Most are respectful and even though we do not post, we had a hunter call us for permission to go after his dogs, that had treed a bear on our land. No problem. We do have a problem with finding lawn chairs and tree stands and other paraphernalia left behind by hunters who did not ask for permission for the stand, and who leave trash behind. It’s a reciprocal respect. We respect to right to hunt, as long as the hunter respects our land.
And like you said, a respectful hunter will come and go, and you’ll never know they were there.
xxxDog_Fucker_69xxx t1_j937vfv wrote
People leaving crap is definitely an issue. I hunted during the last rifle season. the same blind and tree stands were left for over 2 weeks… not once did I see someone it and I started early in the day and would leave early like 2 hours before sundown. Never saw anyone in them.
After the season went back and all of this gear was still just left in the woods. Ended up going into the portable blinds no tags or info. My theory is they got a deer and left since I was two/three miles in the woods.
Needless to say the blind is now sitting in my garage for next season haha
Jun1p3rsm0m t1_j93asff wrote
Haha, finders keepers, then. You tried!
HeadPen5724 t1_j95zxm1 wrote
So you stole someone else’s property? Not something to brag about. If there was no identifying markings, you may assume it’s the landowners. I’ve got 10 stands around my property and a dozen game cams. If one catches you stealing my stuff expect a visit from the police and charges.
zoolilba OP t1_j91pkli wrote
Or "trespassers will be shot"
lantonas t1_j92maun wrote
Unless the property is properly posted you aren't a trespasser.
xxxDog_Fucker_69xxx t1_j91qn7c wrote
Can’t technically do anything about trespassing, we don’t have castle doctrine in the state. Closest you can get to shooting someone is if there is “grievous bodily harm imminent to you or someone else”
zoolilba OP t1_j91r5hj wrote
Well they are coming into other people's property with guns and aggressive dogs. But I know what you are saying.
xxxDog_Fucker_69xxx t1_j91td9n wrote
Even if your property is posted if you have cornered/injured game you’re still legally allowed to retrieve it.
How would you feel if your dog escaped ran into my property chasing a rabbit or other small game and I shot it because i viewed it as aggressive?
If you’re so concerned about it repost the land, and set up game cams on your perimeter to catch people trespassing and calmly ask them to not and if they do again you’ll call the police on them for trespassing.
Not really rocket science here.
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