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cpujockey t1_j9upo6c wrote

Reply to comment by Blindsay04 in Anyone familiar with the 'Worker Relocation Incentive Program' by Blindsay04

> Just trying to understand your point of view

I'll say it - I am an asshole. Born and bred Vermonter. Grew up low income (welfare).

> why is me bringing a remote job bad?

We're not making enough exports. Our economy is based on tourism and hospitality which is awful. This provides few opportunities for people to make good money (above 40k), and with the cost of living being outrageous here, it's hard to keep folks employed and housed. The effect of all this causes a lot of folks born here to move away and seek opportunities elsewhere, eroding our culture and perpetuating this revolving door of natives out - out of state folks in. I get that this has been the norm since the 70's, but it's shit.

> I'd also add that it means in addition to my taxes, I spend money at local businesses

good! but be sure you're actually going to local businesses and using their services. Do NOT use things like uber, instacart or door dash. While those companies give money to local vermonters, you're giving money to companies that operate in tax havens and their labor practices are dog shit.

Lastly - my problem is not with you or who you are. I am certain you're an upstanding citizen and probably a cool person. My problem is that the state made a system to import people here for financial gain while a lot of us are suffering. Natives like myself have NO incentives to stay in Vermont. I know I romanticize this a bit and call it my birth place, home state, and what ever, but this is where I grew up, this is where I have kids, this is where my family is. Other folks tell us natives that we're problematic for having an opinion on it - while we're being priced out of the market while living in what the real estate folks called "the most moved in state" during the pandemic. My family roots run pretty deep - but I am no mountain man, or redneck - just a guy that grew up in poverty and managed to get somewhere and now hitting more roadblocks now that I have the money to accomplish all the goals I set growing up. I've been told that nearly everything about my life, family and way of life here is wrong, and that I need to move out (not by you, but others).

at the end of the day - it's entitled flatlanders coming here that piss me off. A bunch of them came in on a free 7k ticket and got an immediate jump on home ownership or what not - while the rest of us are struggling to stay housed.

I hope that brought some clarity to this discussion without entirely coming off like an asshole.

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Blindsay04 OP t1_j9utwsm wrote

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I actually grew up just across the river in NH, finished school there and couldn't find a job locally so I ended up in MA. I was in MA until my work finally allowed us to work remotely permanently and that's how I ended up here.

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GreenPL8 t1_j9uz113 wrote

I think the problem with a lot of these conversation is that Vermont does not exist in a vacuum. If wealth is built faster outside of Vermont than people who stay here will continue to fall behind.

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cpujockey t1_j9uzpvm wrote

> If wealth is built faster outside of Vermont than people who stay here will continue to fall behind

which is why we need to embolden production and incentivize manufacturing / craft goods exports. pretty much we just need to make shit and get it out there.

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GreenPL8 t1_j9v2rav wrote

Shouldn't the market demand these Vermont craft goods already if that's a viable path for economic growth? The state incentivizing it won't create more demand. If the demand isn't there I'm not sure what creating more supply will do.

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cpujockey t1_j9v34ci wrote

k.

Well there is a demand for a lot of things. I am sorry I did not draft a business plan or prospectus to submit to you to see how such and investment would play out. I am just a dude with a high school diploma - I am not an economist. I can tell you though that a services based economy is dog shit. Production is the only way.

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