Did I hallucinate the arctic temps this past weekend?PeteDontCare t1_j7fqyho wrote
Reply to comment by Excellent_Affect4658 in Did I hallucinate the arctic temps this past weekend? by [deleted]
Not sure why the downvotes. Not a native Vermonter here, but been here long enough to know and remember that long stretches of subzero or single digits were always expected and normal. In fact, if you mentioned how cold it was, Vermonters were quick to tell you that it was normal and to buck up. Although the added wind may not be a regular thing, I have to agree with your conclusion that folks seem to have a short memory and people seem to be going soft. They never used to cancel school for several inches of snow, either....
Excellent_Affect4658 t1_j7fu560 wrote
Even just a few years ago (around Christmas 2017) it was subzero for most of a week, with lows around -20. Totally normal thing, happened every year when I was a kid. I only remember 2017 because my in-laws had just moved up here from PA and were like “WTF have we done?!!!”
thunder-cricket t1_j7g8ak0 wrote
Was it in the 40s on the week before and after? Because that's what this conversation is about.
PeteDontCare t1_j7fvmyl wrote
I remember this too.... Because we were fascinated by that whole throwing boiling water into the air trick to watch it instantly turn into "snow". I think it's all the hype around these cold snaps on national news and social media that has everyone forgetting what the norm always was
thunder-cricket t1_j7g82k7 wrote
This thread isn't about how there was a long stretch of cold. This wasn't a long stretch. It was a couple of days of -20 degrees, sandwiched between these disturbing, so-called 'winter' days of 40+. That's what's alarming, unexpected and not normal. Hope that helps.
Excellent_Affect4658 t1_j7gritd wrote
The comment I was responding to says, verbatim, “both unseasonably warm and frigid”. It is not. These are not unseasonably frigid temperatures. They are unseasonably warm. The swings are probably more abrupt than they used to be, but that’s not what I was objecting to.
thunder-cricket t1_j7h2kp5 wrote
OK. In that case, you're taking one portion of one sentence out of it's context to object to it, in an effort to obfuscate the real point and defend your argument: that the weather is normal and not alarming. The problem you say, and i quote verbatim, is "we've all just gone soft."
You're wrong. We haven't "all just gone soft." The weather we're experiencing is not normal and is alarming.
The full sentence is: "Winter weather will be both unseasonably warm and frigid, as opposed to just cold. The time of consistent winter weather has passed."
Excellent_Affect4658 t1_j7h45ou wrote
The weather is alarming, but not because it's cold, which is what gets all the attention. The cold snap was normal; it's the rest of the winter that people should be alarmed by. I'm not trying to "obfuscate" anything. Asking for precision is not denying climate science.
thunder-cricket t1_j7h5wm2 wrote
People are alarmed by the whole winter. People's aren't complaining that it was cold over the weekend; people are saying the swings are the alarming thing. That's what this whole post is about, including the person whose comment you're responding to. If you're not trying to obfuscate (it means to make obscure) the point of that comment, which you are now saying you agree with, I'm not sure why you took a few words out of their overall context to object to.
PeteDontCare t1_j7g8f0o wrote
It seems to be about neither of these scenarios, but rather an observation
thunder-cricket t1_j7g9gr8 wrote
There are two contending observations. Some people are observing that the extreme temperature swing we're seeing in the past 7 days is alarming.
And others (including you), are observing "no they're not; we've always had cold days in the winter. This is expected and normal," which obfuscates the point of the first observation. No one is saying it's alarming that it was very cold for a few days. We're saying it's alarming it was -20 one day and 45 two days later.
PeteDontCare t1_j7gaktq wrote
Yes, some people are saying both things. The original post didn't take a stance. You're just as wrong as I am, buddy
thunder-cricket t1_j7gbrul wrote
>Yes, some people are saying both things.
You can't say something is both abnormal and normal at the same time. I'm not sure which people you think are saying both things, but they are wrong and make no sense.
>The original post didn't take a stance.
The original post asks if they were hallucinating the cold over the last weekend, since it's so warm today. That means the original poster is taking the stance that this isn't normal, since people wonder if they are hallucinating when they observe something that doesn't seem like it could be real.
>You're just as wrong as I am, buddy
Again, hope all that helps.
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