Mechanicjohn12 t1_j8z64vg wrote
Why do we need to adopt socialism? Why not simply allow citizens to take their own lives by their own reigns by EASING regulations?
If we were to go the route you describe, would you be willing to lose large swathes of current US land/genocide millions upon millions of people? Because only a small percentage of this nation would agree to what you propose if they fully understood the ramifications.
You speak of getting rid of the electoral college, which is one of the main reasons we live in a UNITED states of America; no state other than the most populous would be willing to join a contractual agreement to be subjected to the will of plurality. We would never have gained independence, and we would have never had the compromise needed to bring the nation back together after the civil war.
Now; there are some points you made I can agree with, but many of them just perpetuate an image of a dystopian future. We BARELY live in a capitalistic society. What we currently live under is more closely related to corporatism.
Capitalism at the end of the day is two consenting parties agreeing to do business, and only ABLE to do business if both parties agree/consent without the need for approval from a third party. What is wrong with that? That is the most peaceful form of economics IMO.
Our nations framework and building principles are what the nation needs to rebuild us back to glory and wealth for MOST instead of a few. We have just gotten so damn far from our roots of freedom and liberties through bureaucratic legislation and corruption at all levels of government.
The issues stem from our politicians having no expectation of retaliation/accountability for literally destroying the lives of millions of people at a time by fucking signing a paper.
joeydokes OP t1_j8zbvv2 wrote
> EASING regulations?
Ok, first thanks for your reply. Next, my federal POV is dead in the water; it'll no nowhere; despite my disagreeing with your outcomes.
Easing regulations is what has lead to regulatory capture, giving corporations personhood and no responsibilities. Creating the revolving door, where people stay in gov just long enough to get lucrative lobby jobs; and then, get paid to re-enter politics; Influence peddlers taking key congressional jobs.
The so-called reverse revolving door, in which lobbyists for highly regulated interest groups temporarily take jobs in government with influence or oversight over policy impacting their former employers
To the point where many corporations with a stake in government policy now write the incentives into employment contracts. Where Banks and defense contractors extend special bonuses as a reward for executives to leave and enter government.
> getting rid of the electoral college
Popular vote, free of fixing/gerrymandering etc... is direct democracy; like it or not. Choosing a 'college' to do that for us may have had its place, but no longer. Because we cannot trust either them or the process.
> many of [your points] just perpetuate an image of a dystopian future. We BARELY live in a capitalistic society. What we currently live under is more closely related to corporatism.
And going even further in that direction unless we collectively act to stop it.
> both parties agree/consent without the need for approval from a third party. What is wrong with that?
Nothing, that's the marketplace in an ideal world; which is not where we are. Corporatism is, by definition, predatory; one's gain is another's loss. It's ruthless enough w/out corruption, but add that spice and you end up with what we have now: a kakistocracy serving kleptocrats.
> to rebuild us back to glory and wealth...
Allow that our 'glory-n-wealth', in the 0sum game has come with buckets of bloodshed that made an aristocracy filthy rich in a land that supposedly shed itself of a monarch. Its a myth told by the victors, but more important, as they've drained the well there is no going back. Only bleeding more blood from the stone that was the middle-class who once benefited by being trickled-down upon.
You may not agree on the speed in which collapse is coming, but 'objects in the rearview are closer than they seem' is apropos. Unless something is created (State-wide at least) to claw back our ideals, working-class ideals, caring for the least ideals, ... they'll be no different from the vanishing wildlife and bees.
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