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AudibleNod t1_j6dwwja wrote
Can't they also pick up bluetooth IDs and see how long someone lingers and where?
if not, I'm sorry for giving them the idea.
TinyChaco t1_j6dwyhj wrote
As if I needed more reasons to hate shopping.
human8264829264 OP t1_j6dxdmk wrote
Probably, learned about this in a marketing class last week when they where telling us that sometimes they deploy those mannequins and spy on shoppers in real time to analyze their behavior and product reactions, and that includes listening to their conversations.
OuttatimepartIII t1_j6dxtaf wrote
It's like these people take the wrong kind of notes after watching prophetic dystopian science fiction
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SCMtnGuy t1_j6dygr1 wrote
Yeah, many of them use already bluetooth beacons. You don't even need to connect. They use signal strength and UUIDs to know your proximity and identity, then this is tied back to all the information harvested from other sources to profile you.
All of this should be illegal. But, until Congress grows some balls and passes actual privacy laws, this is another good reason to keep bluetooth, wifi, NFC, and other modes of transmission off on your phone unless you're specifically using it for something at that moment.
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shogi_x t1_j6dzosr wrote
> So, when will these mannequins start analyzing you? They might already be. Not only does Almax sell the EyeSee to stores oversees, it already has one client in the U.S. "It is already in some stores in the U.S., but I cannot disclose the client."
TL;DR: this is not widespread and may never be.
Hot_Mess_Express t1_j6dzq1j wrote
Some malls are dying yes, but there's still a hell of a lot of retail out there.
human8264829264 OP t1_j6dzvks wrote
I learned about it in a marketing class and the teacher seamed to be saying they where more and more widespread and I'm in Canada. The article is from 2012.
shogi_x t1_j6e1imk wrote
I can only find a handful of articles from around the same time period. I'm guessing this is tech that never really proved its value so it didn't catch on widely. TBH they're probably just using regular security cameras and Bluetooth beacons, if they're analyzing this at all.
Mynewadventures t1_j6e1r4l wrote
Minority report, here we come...err, here we are.
IgnisSolus4X t1_j6e3bwr wrote
BigJayPee t1_j6e3q4f wrote
Yeah I stopped shopping in store as soon as the option to buy online came up. The only store I still go into nowadays is a gas station.
monkeyharris t1_j6e412l wrote
We have your clothes, boots, and your motorcycle! You'll be back!
Ohbc t1_j6e48ri wrote
Good luck analysing my resting bitch face
ionhowto t1_j6e4g3c wrote
Whisper an ad, 5% off your next order.
PeachSnappleOhYeah t1_j6e4wut wrote
unfortunately you're only hurting small business doing that.
(most) online shopping perpetuates the division of the middle class and billionaires
BigJayPee t1_j6e6day wrote
As someone who has worked for several small businesses, I can tell you these people are the worst people to work for. I don't feel pity for them.
Instead, they need to have a reason for me to patronize their business instead of buying online. Do they have a unique product I can't get elsewhere? Do they sell thing cheaper? Do they pay their employees a living wage? Is the local community better off with their existence, or are they a burden?
Low_Soul_Coal t1_j6e6xec wrote
Well you’re looking at their point of view incorrectly.
The people that are taking the notes are the people that would end up in the high towers where the sunlight reaches.
So warnings to us are roadmaps to them.
Safe-Link-7590 t1_j6e84pm wrote
Somebody needs to hack run a white hat security test on those mannequins. Then make all of them play the robots by Kraftwerk and then end with a rickroll
pirateclem t1_j6e8t2n wrote
This is why when I masturbate in a store I look the mannequins directly in the eyes.
Nervous-Daikon-5393 t1_j6e8y6l wrote
HHS2019 t1_j6e9f6q wrote
Oh, man. This is going to change everything about Mannequin 3. It will no longer be the capstone of an adorable rom-com fantasy trilogy. It will obviously become a high-tech thriller with hackers; probably the Russians. Thumbs down!
CarelessHisser t1_j6e9s96 wrote
And they're neither widespread nor cheap.
Apocalypse baiting.
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Ulgeguug t1_j6eabfz wrote
r/aboringdystopia
PeachSnappleOhYeah t1_j6eafsf wrote
what small business did you work for??
i grew up working in my family's small retail business, knowing all the other small businesses in town; and small business does far more for customers, employees, and community than Huge Corp 9/10
WiebeKong t1_j6eb203 wrote
Can ai give us health care instead?
TransManNY t1_j6eb2fp wrote
Reason why I still wear a mask in stores.
MeetInPotatoes t1_j6eb8xw wrote
Hah, I just came from a different thread about AI takeover where I pointed out that some dumbass already gave the robots lasers.
MeetInPotatoes t1_j6ebf0l wrote
Not if they wipe out their creators first, yeah.
human8264829264 OP t1_j6ec42k wrote
It's about 5000$cad/mannequin as per my teacher
human8264829264 OP t1_j6ec8tn wrote
Fucking commies always asking for shit! /s
Taykeyero t1_j6ecbm8 wrote
Yay another reason to avoid brick and mortar and expand my general isolation.
Philboyd_Studge t1_j6ecmdo wrote
I, for one, welcome our new mannequin overlords!
_VaultOfGlass_ t1_j6eeanp wrote
Good thing my permanent expression is the "idgaf" face.
Good luck judging my opinions on things lmao
BillTowne t1_j6eew4l wrote
Are they required to post a notice to the public of filming?
Paracelsus19 t1_j6ef01m wrote
I gotta start carrying a bigger magnet.
TinyChaco t1_j6eg9z5 wrote
It's really just pants and shoes for me. I'll buy all my t shirts online, but if I don't try on pants or shoes before I buy I end up with ill fitting clothing I'll have to send back.
Sentsuizan t1_j6egco7 wrote
One client could very well mean one corporation that owns a shitload of different stores.
pseudocultist t1_j6egngk wrote
This kind of tech came too early. It generated a mountain of data which no one could parse let alone use for any good ends. No integration with other systems.
Today we're doing AI data lakes where we just pipe in all sorts of raw data and let the AI do the work . It's still catching on in enterprise settings. Once that's in place, they can take another shot at tech like this, piping the data into the lake where it can be put to use. Plus the hardware has dropped in price quite a bit.
I would say expect a second round of this stuff in another 3-5 years, and it'll be much more successful.
EggsForEveryone t1_j6ehl28 wrote
I hope the TR-6 doesn't do this too.. she's scrumptious
Blessed_tenrecs t1_j6eine9 wrote
... why am I surprised.
Amerlis t1_j6ejgoq wrote
So all you folks that’s pulling pants down to check anatomical correctness, yeah it’s recorded. Forever.
washingtonandmead t1_j6ek679 wrote
Good thing fewer people are shopping in brick and mortar stores
phoenixthekat t1_j6ekx58 wrote
We are definitely creating AI that will destroy us one step at a time.
loquacious706 t1_j6emy07 wrote
Yeah, and they could like... Just ask me.
If there was a poll next to the mannequins I would be happy to let them know how I feel. What it generally boils down to is I want longer tops, deeper pockets, and stop cutting random holes in everything. Can their dystopian video surveillance catch all of that?
BrokenEye3 t1_j6en45x wrote
I'll bet the Nestene Consciousness is excited
BrokenEye3 t1_j6enik6 wrote
Fuck those rich assholes and their magic sky castles
BigJayPee t1_j6ep722 wrote
I worked for a family owned escape room. And I worked for a family owned Ashley furniture franchise.
Your experience was with your own families business. They can't exactly just get rid of you. Being hired on to someone else's family business is something I wouldn't recommend. At the ashley store, I was only there for 10 days (3 days training and 7 selling). I finished with higher sales than all the family members except 1, but I was let go for "low numbers" even though I was 3rd out of 9 sales people my first week on the sales floor.
The escape room, well, the actual owner was hardly ever there, saw him maybe once a month. My issue with them was the training. They had someone train me as I went, but she just kinda showed me as a situation popped up, not beforehand. The owners would show up and just yell at me for something I had no idea was even something I was supposed to do, and neither did the girl training me. I would get in trouble. She wouldn't. Just showed huge amounts of favoritism that never happens at any corporate place I've worked.
I'm sure some are great, hell, I owned a food truck before, and my wife owned a froyo shop before. but I'm not just going to blindly support a small business just because they are small, I need them to provide something that puts them ahead of the larger competition. This is capitalism. Competition is supposed to be a thing.
the_hell_you_say t1_j6equh9 wrote
Can they detect my hatred for simply being IN a store?
BrokenEye3 t1_j6er6lg wrote
Honestly, I hate both
human8264829264 OP t1_j6etho0 wrote
The same as putting security cams, so just a sign at the entrance that the store is under surveillance. It would depend on the jurisdiction but for Canada that's what they said in the course.
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SCMtnGuy t1_j6eus5i wrote
These beacons are also sometimes used in window displays, seasonal displays, end of row displays, and other non-mannequin ways, so it's not just mannequins you have to worry about. Shopping malls and grocery stores are also turning into marketing panopticons. Basically, everyone in real life wants to imitate the level of customer spying Amazon can achieve, and it gets buzz with senior management because it promises enhanced revenue. I suspect it's actually mostly useless garbage data, honestly, but I do my best to deny data harvesting from me anyway.
It sucks, though... I shouldn't have to be at war with my own consumer electronics products, yet I am. Keeping up with the ways in which advertisers and marketers, and all their middle men, abuse access to my information is tiring, and many days I feel like just chucking my phone into the nearest ravine and telling everyone if they need to get ahold of me, write me a letter, the ancient on-paper kind.
This is especially depressing to me, personally, because I was on the team that developed the first successful fully integrated digital cell phone controller IC. All of us engineers were enthusiastic about it and imagined a future of information at your fingertips, the greatest library of human knowledge in every pocket, and the positive effects that this democratization of information access would have. But, this was before the rise of surveillence capitalism, before gatekeeping on technical knowledge (go fuck yourself, Elsevier) and before the new cold war of social media driven disinformation campaigns.
Now it's all garbage, just a big, sad pile of bullshit information being jacked from everyone and uselessly twaddled with "AI" and "Machine Learning" algorithms to produce dubuous marketing information that primarily serves to justify legions of bullshit jobs, in the Graeber sense of the word.
SCMtnGuy t1_j6evf77 wrote
You mean the online shopping that collects and aggregates more data on you than even the most advanced spy mannequin could ever hope to do?
I guess if you decide you can't win, you might as well surrender...
monkeypox_69 t1_j6ewsnc wrote
It's just people looking to make money by putting surveillance equipment in everything.
TimeForHugs t1_j6exud5 wrote
>I finished with higher sales than all the family members except 1, but I was let go
Nepotism is a hell of a thing. It unfortunately happens all too often.
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bullybullybully t1_j6f390j wrote
I work in retail design and technology and can say that, while this exists it is far from wide spread. There are many more effective and accurate ways of capturing customer data in use. One of the hard to decipher points with smart displays is that it is difficult to tell from audience reactions what exactly the customer is reacting to. Could be the whole outfit, a single item, the mannequin pose or visual merchandising elements, etc.
BrokenEye3 t1_j6f8iel wrote
Please speak directly into the mannequin
SolarSmelter t1_j6f9nex wrote
There won’t be any dystopian overcoming for them when I make grimaced facial contortions directed at their mannecameras to analyze. Their system will self-destruct with all the expressions I can cycle through in a second. I’ll be standing at the foundation of their ivory towers kicking them until they fall, all the while my doo doo farts in the act rise stinky clouds above their glass ceilings. Instead of the sun, they will see a gaseous brown piece of what I did to a glazed turkey dinner the night before with the many visages of my profile superimposed over their disastrous nightmare of a victorious sky.
Czexxi t1_j6fdr4c wrote
Right!? 1984 was a warning, not a how-to manual.
skippyspk t1_j6femp6 wrote
Oh. Oh no.
iGaveYouOneJob t1_j6fewsk wrote
into the other hole please, sir
gnochii_ t1_j6fge5b wrote
Nice. More manmade horrors beyond my comprehension.
toefurkyfuckmittens t1_j6fhzce wrote
If you choose to do so in the women's department, please pick something with useful pockets to jerk it in front of
MpVpRb t1_j6fj5ni wrote
>facial expressions analysis
Bullshit, useless nonsense sold to clueless managers by sharp con artists
Sorry-Letter6859 t1_j6fk1ai wrote
So Fallout 4 was right
Broccoli-Basic t1_j6fkldx wrote
Can I not accept the cookies at the door? Guess I'll be wearing a surgical mask forever.
Fonty57 t1_j6fljgz wrote
Last time I tell a mannequin they have a nicely molded ass.
Lelabear t1_j6fmbk7 wrote
Knew a guy about 10 years ago who was an audio engineer that got a job with Wal-Mart designing subliminal sound devices to put in the end caps at the stores to make customers want to buy that merchandise. Never went in a box store again without headphones.
FatQuack t1_j6fnbhy wrote
Expression analysis indicates this man is attempting to have sex with the mannequin. We're adding that to the demographics.
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flpacsnr t1_j6fnxua wrote
I guess I’m adding mannequins to the list of random objects I flip off.
opiate_lifer t1_j6foluz wrote
Any evidence this even works?
Shawndollars t1_j6fp6u9 wrote
Yea that's not creepy at all
benefit_of_mrkite t1_j6fpft8 wrote
Customer sentiment in cameras has been a thing in retail for some time. So has location analytics that give details on things like how displays and/or store departments are laid out in something that makes consumers stop
Uncle_Budy t1_j6fqfe0 wrote
Bit of a leap from hidden cameras to seeing the future
Lelabear t1_j6fr1i5 wrote
Don't know, but he was making a 7 figure salary, somebody thought it was worth it.
Cetun t1_j6fs05t wrote
Ah yes, the mannequin will take the opinions of homeless people and mall goths and hold that data on the same level as their target demo. Sounds like a winning strat.
theycmeroll t1_j6fs6mx wrote
This practice has been around for a long time. I worked for a company back in 2003 installing digital advertising screens in Walmart that has a camera in them behind a plastic panel that did the same thing.
theycmeroll t1_j6fschd wrote
Lol I just commented up a bit higher, I used to install those.
PeachSnappleOhYeah t1_j6ftw9k wrote
ok. that's fair. and to be fair to my point, it doesn't sound like you've had long enough history working in small business, which might not be your fault. i think your experience isn't typical.
how many Fed Ex little league baseball fields, or Amazon sponsored local parades do you know of? in my towns, local businesses do a lot for the community. Many people work good jobs and fair pay and hours.
but i don't disagree there are less than stellar examples out there, like everything else. sorry to hear about your story, because small business is so important to the middle class.
4badsanta t1_j6fvigd wrote
With the new AI they will chase you down and make the sale
koenigsaurus t1_j6fw8sn wrote
I would just like to be able to exist in public without my every movement analyzed and sold, holy fuck
bullybullybully t1_j6fwzfk wrote
Totally. I mainly meant that using mannequins as the location for data gathering hardware was not common as it’s not necessary or as flexible as most other options to gather similar and greater data.
starwarsman05 t1_j6fx7ld wrote
>There won’t be any dystopian overcoming for them when I make grimaced facial contortions directed at their mannecameras to analyze. Their system will self-destruct with all the expressions I can cycle through in a second.
hahaha
lolokaydudewhatever t1_j6fxi7k wrote
This is why I avoid the store, i shop online so they can invade my privacy the old fashioned way
Flemtality t1_j6fygmk wrote
This unethical technology was first pioneered by the morally bankrupt people at Gillette over twenty years ago. At that time people didn't like it and spoke out against it, which of course did absolutely nothing, and here we are.
Just know that somewhere out there is video of you every time you ever walked near a Gillette razor display at a big box store this century, and some creepy fuck working for Gillette probably spanked his frank to that video.
SignificantView1671 t1_j6fyt1i wrote
I think they're called "employees".
DIDiMISSsomethin t1_j6g01pa wrote
Man, fuck going into stores anymore
benefit_of_mrkite t1_j6g0vus wrote
Oh I knew what you meant and agreed. Just added some detail.
never_on_time t1_j6g3v4j wrote
'oversees' that eyeball ocean
Hand-Picked-Anus t1_j6g56v4 wrote
I had a girlfriend like that once.
erishun t1_j6g626g wrote
Disclaimer: one tech start up has created a preview demo model that can do these things and now they are trying to find retail clients who will be interested in swapping out their current mannequins with these.
These aren’t in mass production and this is a glorified ad for the Italian company producing these.
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immersemeinnature t1_j6g6v47 wrote
My god. Are you me?
immersemeinnature t1_j6g6ypb wrote
I know what I'm doing at the mall next week!
weirdkid71 t1_j6g8os3 wrote
This is from 2012. I tried searching on EyeSee Mannequin and I found a bunch of news articles also from 2012, but nothing much since. I did find one article in 2015 about how they were incorporating speech recognition to determine if nearby customers are talking about what is on the mannequin.
So, either the tech was so expensive and unreliable that the company Almax went under and nobody else bothered going down this path, OR it was wildly successful and the tech has "gone dark" somehow. Though the real answer is probably somewhere between store owners found a cheaper way to do this by upgrading existing camera equipment, or because "malls are dying" nobody gave a crap anymore.
FWIW, back in the early 2010's there was a lot of talk of stores spying on you, using your phone's bluetooth or wifi radio to track your movements, too. But then Apple decided to randomize your phones wifi MAC address when searching for access points, kinda killing that idea.
So_spoke_the_wizard t1_j6gcdzk wrote
Kim Cattrall is not impressed.
CrouchingToaster t1_j6gdjlh wrote
One of the big selling points of a mannequin is that they are cheap. This might catch on as like one or two mannequins in a store has this that corporate has the stores use to gauge customer reaction to a sale or a new line being released, but I highly doubt this is gonna become a standard mannequin.
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The_Derpening t1_j6gi2hk wrote
Ah so on some server somewhere there's footage of me squeezing mannequin boob and giggling like a 12 year old boy. Best regards to the poor sucker who has to watch that, get a real job.
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shogi_x t1_j6gjqv4 wrote
Exactly. I can see this at a flagship/test location that gets studied then rolled out to other stores.
shmatelyn t1_j6gr8i6 wrote
It’s cute that you think women’s clothing has pockets.
MegaWattson t1_j6gsbu9 wrote
It says right in the article “The EyeSee does not store any images or record video. It also doesn't record audio, though it will have the ability to listen for trends soon.”
Sooooo what exactly is it doing if not recording anything?
sweet-n-sombre t1_j6gscm6 wrote
TIHI
sweet-n-sombre t1_j6gsdlc wrote
r/TIHI
sweet-n-sombre t1_j6gsgts wrote
not widespread yet.
toefurkyfuckmittens t1_j6gux5t wrote
I am a woman, you donut. It was a joke.
shmatelyn t1_j6guzjx wrote
I am too, silly goose! It was also a joke 🤣
toefurkyfuckmittens t1_j6gv2zb wrote
Sorry, lots of dudes on reddit are eager to explain the experience of womanhood to women. tone is hard to read, carry on!
shmatelyn t1_j6gvahk wrote
Ugh so true! No offense taken here or anything btw. Also your username make me chuckle out loud!
arPie74 t1_j6gvusi wrote
If a store like Kohls begins to notice that the vast majority of their customers are not in a demographic that listens to the kind of muzak they plague us with and adjusts just that one thing, it will be worth it.
Marine__0311 t1_j6gwqrm wrote
They've had store mannequins with security cameras in them for decades.
Maybethistimeitllbe t1_j6gyjp0 wrote
Mannequin M3gan.
DavoTB t1_j6gywpg wrote
It has to be useful to the retailers…
jimmyhoke t1_j6gzpvv wrote
I hate this. If I see one I'm going to make weird faces and stare to deliberately polute the data. I suggest you all do the same.
jimmyhoke t1_j6gzx7d wrote
Better grab my anti-plastic.
jimmyhoke t1_j6h02gg wrote
IMO the data is useful, if something gets a lot of looks but doesn't sell well, then the price needs to be lowered.
Still creepy though.
jimmyhoke t1_j6h03e4 wrote
Alight in uBlock origin and Firefox containers.
PoopIsAlwaysSunny t1_j6h2e1o wrote
No, they’re not. They’re engineers.
The people in high towers don’t do work.
herbw t1_j6h6jg5 wrote
I wanta send out some mimes to those stores....
AndYouDidThatBecause t1_j6haeb5 wrote
You dated mannequins too?
No-Satisfaction1697 t1_j6hbrxm wrote
Why is that communist?
OuttatimepartIII t1_j6hif70 wrote
Damn good way to look at it
Johnsnowookie t1_j6hiotw wrote
Well that's it boys, it's the beginning of the end. It's been fun but it's the robots time now
Cromsmountain34 t1_j6hlv6f wrote
While employees get paid almost nothing….
vvavering_ t1_j6hnzjo wrote
Well said—this makes me want to recede further and further into the woods (while we have any, that is). While I’m at it I’d like to stop being advertised things constantly as well
rjolivet t1_j6hrmcb wrote
#Hell
Armitando t1_j6hwci8 wrote
Please drink verification can
ProfessionalFace1443 t1_j6i2ke6 wrote
What’s great is that this kind of malarkey is illegal in Illinois. Stores would have to make customers sign a disclosure before entering in order to use this kind of crap. IL was lucky to pass a biometric privacy law in 2009 before Big Tech really got their lobbying monster put together. I doubt there will ever be another law like it in the US again; Google et al. will see to that.
ChameleonPsychonaut t1_j6i69et wrote
that Peach Snapple really do be hittin nice tho
AutonomousAnemoia t1_j6i8b9q wrote
Now kissth
Grand-Jaguar8 t1_j6i8zt7 wrote
This is just a game camera for humans.
Kizmo2 t1_j6iudqn wrote
Minority Report is upon us.
Iron_Garuda t1_j6koo6p wrote
They watch them and think “hmmm that looks profitable.”
xX609s-hartXx t1_j6lhqnz wrote
That doesn't mean much. Some companies hire hand writing analysers who will tell them what kind of person you are based on one page of hand written text.
Lelabear t1_j6lic96 wrote
The subliminal tapes convince you to buy something, the handwriting analysis probes your character. Different techniques get different results, all nefarious.
xX609s-hartXx t1_j6lj63h wrote
Hand writing analyses is also about as scientific as astrology.
Boxes_Are t1_j6ln0dp wrote
That's beautifully written; very creative.
Landlubber77 t1_j6dwv6r wrote
Do you want Skynet? Because this is how you get Skynet.