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parlimentery t1_izhzjnu wrote

As someone who is not great with knowledge of American Presidents. Is there any reason I should not like Van Buren?

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LordUpton t1_iziqjtj wrote

I'm not going to look at the source because I like to be ignorant and believe that Van Buren didn't want tigers and congress was trying to force it on him.

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oced2001 t1_iziydqb wrote

“I thought this was America”

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Austin1642 t1_izj0eon wrote

Replying to parlimentery (#891,672)

Honestly he's one of the forgettables, overshadowed by his political mentor Andrew Jackson. The most interesting thing about him is that he's the only president whose first language wasn't english (dutch). Kind of the Carter of his day, his post presidency was probably better than his presidency. Economically his term was problematic, and he's criticized for the panic of 1837. He was pretty hands off with slavery in an effort to forestall conflict, refusing Texas entry into the Union as a slave state so as not to create division. However, after he left office he became increasingly outspoken abolitionist and supported Lincoln nearly 3 decades after his presidency.

He continued the Indian removal policies of Jackson, which caused the Seminole Wars - and most people would want to give him an F straight off. However, the Indian removals of the Jacksonian democrats weren't motivated by land grabs or racism per say. Indian removal was actually an attempt to save Native American culture, and while deplorable it was seen as the most realistic option. The Jacksonian and by extension Van Buren view would have been something along the lines of "White conquest of Native American lands in the east is unstoppable by the [much weaker than today] federal government. Native Americans are technologically backwards savages who have no legitimate hope of defending themselves from western expanding settlers. If they stay in the east, there will be a genocide or their culture will be assimilated by white culture, so we need to save them by moving them west of the Mississippi."

So presidency, he's probably a C-. Post presidency, probably a B+.

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bolanrox t1_izjrpt9 wrote

How about his State of Trance addresses?

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AMViquel t1_izk18f5 wrote

Ah, the tigers were a gift. I thought upon arriving at the White House, Van Burren asked his aide to find out what the maximum amount of pet tigers was and when being told that 0 was the proper amount of pet tigers, he fought that answer before congress.

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onometre t1_izkc3hp wrote

Can you really even say there's a division of powers I'd the executive can't keep whatever exotic pets in the white house it wangs without congressional approval? Smh

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chadslc t1_izlv2y8 wrote

TIL that Martin Van Buren was the Mike Tyson of Presidents.

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Austin1642 t1_izm0s9g wrote

Replying to bolanrox (#893,998)

He came from an area of NY that was mostly comprised of Dutch immigrants, and Dutch was their primary language. This is still fairly common in the US today when you stop and think about it. Spanish, Yiddish, Hindi, Mandarin are just a few...all have developed communities based on chain migration.

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FighterOfEntropy t1_izn5rqi wrote

That title need rewording. A former President wouldn’t live in the White House and therefore wouldn’t be arguing with Congress about what exotic pets he could own.

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