SoItWasYouAllAlong t1_j2a52m2 wrote
Reply to comment by VoodooVedal in TIL that in the early 80s, Dr. Dre was a successful electro DJ with his group World Class Wreckin' Cru. Daft Punk mentions Dre in their song “Teachers,” about artists that influenced them by avec_serif
If you'll push political agendas, you'll need to be better than that.
/u/bentoboxing's comment mentioned two things: drugs and violence. Your attempt to spin this into "sex, drugs, and debauchery" completely ignored the "violence" part, and invented a "sex" part, which was never in /u/bentoboxing's original claim.
If we are going to pull groundless arguments out if thin air, why not cabbage? Both gangsta rappers and rock'n'rollers eat cabbage. Clearly that makes them the same.
VoodooVedal t1_j2a5oxl wrote
They didn't even bring up rock n roll either.... You've obviously completely missed the point here lol
I can make it even easier for you
White people make morally questionable art: gritty and real
Black people make morally questionable art: bad people who should feel shame for their life-choices
SoItWasYouAllAlong t1_j2aea7a wrote
And where is the evidence to support your claim that /u/bentoboxing is interpreting the moral values of art differently, depending on the artist's race?
VoodooVedal t1_j2aeie0 wrote
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bentoboxing t1_j2agbn4 wrote
Your words. I didn't say any of this at all. I never even mentioned "white" music at all, much less of this era.
How you going to try be upset by what you said?
VoodooVedal t1_j2amerq wrote
Because you are criticising black music while not holding white music to the same standards. You dont need to specifically say white music is good, just talking shit about black music without doing the same to your beloved metal music is enough
releasethedogs t1_j2bua8l wrote
Rock music is black music.
VoodooVedal t1_j2cxklr wrote
This is true, but rock n roll has been assimilated into white culture so much so that rock is more prevalent in white culture these days. It originated through black music 70 years ago, but it isn't the music linked to black culture currently.
Technically most modern popular genres stem from black music like techno, rock, disco, funk and rock n roll. Though these arent as endemic and representative to modern black culture the way hip hop is
releasethedogs t1_j2e62x6 wrote
> Though these arent as endemic and representative to modern black culture the way hip hop is
That doesn’t make rock music any less black.
VoodooVedal t1_j2egvuh wrote
In the context that we're speaking of it does, as rock isn't seen as music for black people in the modern day
bentoboxing t1_j2aoqqc wrote
The topic is Dre in this era. I made no mention of a disdain for "black music". I am clearly and specifically talking about Dre and the first gangster music he made that reached the mainstream.
I didn't mention Indian music either. Am I secretly defending Indian music?
What made you feel that I needed to add "white music" to this unrelated discussion about Dre and his contributions in this era?
You're not even addressing what I'm talking about, just asking, "Well, why are white musicians considered good?"
I never said black musicians are bad. Never said white ones were good.
You did.
VoodooVedal t1_j2atpo4 wrote
You're really not getting the point here at all...
Gangster rap is black music and you're judging it's moral implications more harshly than you do white music
bentoboxing t1_j2awhzn wrote
-"You're really not getting the point here at all..."
No you're not getting it and it seems intentional at this point.
-"Gangster rap is black music and you're judging it's moral implications more harshly than you do white music."
Rap music is black, but all black music is not gangster rap.
I in no way judged "Black music" and never even mentioned any other music. How did I compare something I never mentioned?
You added "white music" and you are unfairly lumping all black music in with gangster rap.
VoodooVedal t1_j2awwsa wrote
Okay, so you're obviously are rather just arguing with whatever, or else really ignorant. So I'm gonna stop trying to teach you about this now
bentoboxing t1_j2b0z9t wrote
I'm nearly 50 and have been listening to music since before gangster rap existed.
I bought Straight out of Compton,day 1 on cassette. I listened to Digital Underground when Tupac was still a back up dancer. I saw Public Enemy and Anthrax live.
To this day I listen to 32days worth of streaming music alone each year.
What in the fuck do you think you're teaching me about this topic?
Fact: Dre took an opportunity sell self hate to the black community via the music industry and gangster rap. He himself was exploited into doing so. It began a destructive trend of selling luxury products and a violent lifestyle to impressionable and often poor people and packed the for profit prison system.
Aka: Pipeline to prison. (Look it up and learn.)
Why is this hard for you to comprehend? Why are you trying to make it seem like I'm criticising all black music and a culture that I have loved and respected my entire life?
To be clear: You back out of a civil discussion because you have nothing to offer, not because I'm ignorant...
VoodooVedal t1_j2cxszk wrote
Just because you're old doesn't mean you understand anything. You're obviously completely ignorant to the racist rhetoric that you share because you think you're special that you dont listen to modern hiphop. That's what I was trying to teach you, but now I can see your just a sour old sack who thinks he's right because he's spent so much time being ignorant and arrogant already
I've responded to each bullshit claim you've made so far, I back out because you're an ignorant fool who doesn't want to change his mind, even when he's faced with being wrong
Your points arent hard to comprehend, their logic is flawed. That's your problem. It's not that no ones listening to you, you're just wrong
bentoboxing t1_j2d00oj wrote
Once again, idiot, I never said that I don't listen to modern hip hop. You just can't help but make shit up.
I know what I saw first hand. My interest is purely in support of the black community that is preyed upon by corporate opportunists with agendas.
Far from being racist. That's just what you wish my brown ass was because you can't understand someone caring about the people and not the music industry that claimes to represent them.
These are not new concepts and literally hundreds of hip hop artists and black leaders have said the same thing for decades.
It's painfully obvious that you don't know jack shit about this topic. Move on.
VoodooVedal t1_j2d0hgo wrote
Very rich for you to talk about anyone not knowing shit when all you do is pull claims out of your ass and get angry when people tell you why they're wrong. Get over it and move on, you might end up better off after if you try to progress yourself instead of fighting to justify your mistakes
Your interests very obviously don't support the black community when you victim blame them and judge them more harshly than their white counterparts. You're a bullshitter who has no idea what you're talking about
bentoboxing t1_j2d1rxj wrote
How the fuck is blaming the music industry and their paid agents victim blaming?
No one compared black music to white music, unfairly or not, but you. It was never part of the discussion.
Smdh
VoodooVedal t1_j2d1ymt wrote
Yet again you fail to understand my point completely, and now I'm sick holding your hand through it like a child. Everything I need to say I've already said. If you have difficulty understanding that, read it again. If you want to cry about it more, I don't care so dont come to me with that shit.
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