Submitted by 54_actual t3_zynfm7 in todayilearned
Reply to comment by Kowalski_Analysis in TIL Martin Luther King was born Michael King Jr. However, his father, a pastor at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, traveled to Germany and became inspired by the Protestant Reformation leader Martin Luther. As a result, King Sr. changed his own name as well as that of his five year old son. by 54_actual
Damn, almost like he lived in the middle ages. Did he also hold poor views on womens rights and gay people perhaps as well? Did Mr Kings views on certain matters conflict with modern standards?
In certain time periods some wideheld (horrible) beliefs are sadly widespread, but that doesn't mean one should disregards anything anyone has said or done throughout the entire span of history
His antisemitism was much worse than the norm at the time and was widely criticised. Understanding the roots of German antisemitism is a big part of confronting the history of the Holocaust. One seems to be much less popular than the other.
So everyone in middle ages wrote books denouncing the Jews and also founded all of protestantism.
Most people(atleast in europe) were antisemitic yes
he will still seen as an extreme antisemite, even for those times.
A cynical political leader would see antisemitism as a tool to get the support of idiots. That wasn't the case here. He started off thinking he could recruit Jews, then gave up and turned against them when that didn't work. This guy founded all of protestantism as it exists today so that baggage was built in from the foundation.
where did i say that? i never commented on his achievements. fucking weird reaction.
Sorry, it seemed like so many people wanted to defend medieval antisemitism.
no worries my dude
In those times, Jewish people were viewed as Christ killers and, by decree, were denounced and persecuted for their faith. As a people, we are more enlightened or at least we should be.
Being enlightened is a pretense for about 40% of people. Half of those will speak their mind in the company of people who look like them.
Actually, I'm truly enlightened. There's no pretense.
He literally helped inspire the fucking Holocaust. Don’t fucking whitewash his legacy.
Did he come to Hitler on Christmas eve like some fucking spirit, whispering into his ear or what?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
Only because you are uninformed doesn't mean it is untrue. It is even in his wiki that he was a huge inspiration for German antisemitism.
Arminius was also used as a symbol of German unity by the nazis. The way I see it tho, they don't have too much to do with the Holocaust to a big extent. If it wasn't for them, the Nazis would have looked at another anti-Semite, which were obviously not that rare back in the day.
The Nazis were capable of reading.
Don't worry, in a few hundred years if you are remembered whatsoever, it will be about what a monster you were for some belief you hold now that they don't then.
Never respect any historical figure, since they were all morally grey at best which is not acceptable for a human to be.
There were non-antisemites that lived in Martin Luther’s time. You are not excused from evil just because you live in the past.
Well whatever it is that people are right about that you aren't today, be prepared for anything good about your life to be wiped away with whatever moral failing you and everyone around you don't understand.
You might cure cancer, but you also ate meat and had a pet dog and didn't even buy a hybrid right away, so you're fairly evil over all.
Good. You think I’d give a shit when I’m dead? If human morality has improved to the point that the life I’ve lived is looked at as monstrous, that’d be great! Luckily for me, I’ve never written diatribes defending the evils that still exist in our society as morally good, so the odds of me being singled out are slim, unlike Mr. “I Want To Do The Holocaust” Man.
>Luckily for me, I’ve never written diatribes defending the evils that still exist in our society as morally good, so the odds of me being singled out are slim, unlike Mr. “I Want To Do The Holocaust” Man.
So it's ok to be a piece of shit as long as you are quiet and small scale enough to not be remembered in particular. So that people won't know you to judge you only by the parts you were wrong about.
Why are you so amped to defend someone that inspired the Holocaust? I never did that and I think you know that. The problem is that he inspired evil that lasted far beyond his lifetime. That’s what makes him a particularly evil piece of shit.
But I don’t even care, if you find an example of someone that was great in other areas, but that there’s some evidence that they hated the Jews, by all means, judge the shit out of them. I will. I hold people from all time periods to the same moral standards. I hope people do the same for me after I die. I could not welcome it any more than I do.
Because you are completely blowing off every good thing he did or was responsible for. He wrote hateful shit that other later hateful people liked, and THOSE PEOPLE did bad shit with a whole lot of imagination and effort on their part.
He also was a major figure who struck a blow against a repressive and corrupt religious/political institution and the movement he inspired led to many of the ideas that form the foundation of liberalism (you know, individual people having rights because they are people?) which is the foundation of the moral philosophy you are adhering to and using to demonize him?
It's absolutely absurd what you expect of people.
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