The reason men die first is because they want to.

The men in my family usually croak out between 50 - 60 yet the women in my family have gone into their early 90s.

You mean I have a chance of getting laid? Eventually...maybe?

Just go hire a sex worker instead of waiting for 60 years if you're that desperate to not be a virgin anymore.

This is the reason for retirement communities having an epidemic of chlamydia.

Men engage in riskier behaviors than women do. Men work in jobs that are more dangerous and die significantly more often at work. Although women appear to attempt suicide more often than men, men succeed wildly more often than women do. One of the strongest indicators of early mortality is loneliness and men tend to have worse social support structures than women (or even none at all). Men are more often the victims or murder and die more often in car accidents. Men are less likely to interact with preventative medical procedures including colonoscopies. Men are less likely to seek medical attention period.

Just off the top of my head. In short, hormones make us riskier, society treats us as disposable and we often go through life isolated and distrustful of institutions. Bleak.

>The men in my family usually croak out between 50 - 60, so the women in my family have gone into their early 90s.

Crazy that my granddad out lived my grandmom by 10 years.

Thing was, by the time he retired he became a grandparent and changed his life. He quit drinking (drink of choice: Crown Royal, and did it cold turkey) and spent his habit of getting up ridiculously early (was a USPS city carrier in Chicago) walking his neighborhood picking up trash, taking said trash to recycling and picking up his Sun-Times with a black coffee from Dunkin’.

My grandmom wasn’t as busy once her kids left.

Also im sure that even if you survive the dangerous jobs, working manually your whole life and having screwed up joints must have an impact on your mental health and therefore exacerbate physical problems.

Just gotta eat your vegetables, exercise regularly, don’t drink or smoke too much, work hard so you can afford a nice retirement home with lots of hotties and before you know it you’ll be attractive enough anyway to get laid right now and won’t have to wait until you need a pill to get a boner.

Yeah because they don't have to deal with themselves haha

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And yet still, no one shows up to watch women’s sports. Blame grandma!!!

Absolutely dont do this, stat away from whores and their many STDs...

People with easier lives live longer.....shocking!!

> society treats us as disposable and we often go through life isolated and distrustful of institutions

Wonder if these things are all correlated in some way?

Sure, 80% of suicides are men.

I wonder why when people casually make comments like this that men simply existing ruins lives, it's a mystery.

Get a grip.

No, it's the women who live longer. Pay attention.

My greatest fear is outliving my wife. Without me she could carry on the same but with one less lump under her feet, but without her I'd be completely lost.

Part of the reason is certainly the spare X chromosome, but I suspect a big factor is the social pressure for women to appear attractive. Attractiveness usually signals health, so a lot of the things we do to appear attractive have a side-effect of also making us healthier.

TL;DR Men could live longer too if they'd take better care of their health

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women have more STDs than men generally, have sex only with your bros

In a way, men carry the burden of supporting healthier lifestyle for women. And women carry the burden of living the hardest part of life without the support of a partner.

In the end it all pales before the injustice which is ageing...

boomer shit

it's not just health, it's safety. men die young from things like car accidents and stuff more frequently, too.

If I live long enough, I can have my pick of all the women!

Do go on

Its partly related to health, but not the way you think. Men smoke, drink and overeat more on average.

But there are many other factors such as the dangerous jobs, xy vs xx chromosome, men dying from suicides way more, etc ... That needs to be taken into account.

To be fair, women attempt suicide at higher rates than men, men just choose deadlier ways to do it.

True, but I imagine for vastly different reasons.

I imagine one of the few big reasons for men is being seen as socially disposable or a hindrance.

Personally I've had 8 attempts resulting in hospitalisation but only a few of those times were for social reasons.

Which that person's comment reinforces, idiotically.

Those are all valid reasons why the life expectancy is shorter for men.

>society treats us as disposable

This depends on what type of job, function they have in society.

Also makes it difficult to keep active and mobile in old age

The gender gap varies from country to country.

Even among the countries with high life expectancy the values for the gap vary widely.

Japan and Iceland are both in the top 10 in terms of life expectancy. Japan is #1 and Iceland is #7. The life expectancy for men is almost the same with Iceland actually scoring slightly better, but while women only outlive men by 2.80 in Iceland they outlive men by over 6 years in Japan.

Meanwhile In Russia and Belarus the difference in life expectancy is about a decade and that was a lot worse in the past and likely will be worse in the future too.

I guess the secret is to be born a woman in a rich country, eat lots of fish and don't do drugs and alcohol in excess.

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Dogbert told this to Dilbert as dating advice. Dilbert asked if that meant his dating life will improve late in life. Dogbert said “Why wait”

> Just off the top of my head.

And it's all wrong, because all those factors do not make a dent in the life expectancy difference.

I don't think any 85 year old gal would be interested in me. I need some hair on my ears.

Also I’m assuming most importantly is men probably somewhat more often eat like shit and don’t exercise?

>Social Support

This. Men most likely won't seek emotional comfort on what they're going through, which may lead to depression, mental illness to suicide.

It's hard to show emotion if you're a man, when people see it as weakness, unmanliness (gay, LOL), or just completely disregard it.

Sometimes I envy women, wherein they can confide with their friends with these kinds of situations.

Incredible fact that we just seem to ignore en masse.

That’ll probably come down in the US now that we’ve banned abortion in a lot of states

I’m serious

I envy women every day of my life. I know so many that never had to work. Just get married and life is on autopilot

And chronic illness from decades of chemical exposure. Don't see many retired oil and gas workers.

You didn't know this OP?

>Men engage in riskier behaviors than women do.

We even have a sub for that: r/WhyWomenLiveLonger.

Honestly, it's not all that great.

I left the red light feeling more sad and disappointed than I went in.

I can confide in friends all I want, that doesn't change the disposability or isolation aspect in my experience.

well, that's the price of having a bigger body with stronger muscles and bones. you expire faster.

also being seen as disposable pawns with no need for mental care, forced to repress our emotions, being the main part of the population that works in dangerous jobs, being the ones drafted en mass and sent to combat during wars, plus the dumb shenanigans we do as teenagers and young adults kinda makes this the only logical outcome

At 85 I'm gonna be gettin' all the ladies

Within countries, life expectancy is strongly differentiated by wealth as well. US males in the lowest income quintile have a life expectancy of like 67; whereas women in the highest income quintile have a life expextancy of 96.

My grandfather moved into a retirement community in his 70's and had a ridiculous amount of sexual partners for the last chunk of his life. I knew he was going to die when he stopped sleeping around. He constantly joked around about just how easy it was to get laid.

Nitpicking here, but a colonoscopy isn't a preventative procedure. Things like exercise and eating healthy are preventative. Colonscopy is a screening procedure trying to find (early) an existing cancer. I guess you could argue that it may prevent an early stage cancer from becoming a late-stage one. But that's different from preventative in the sense of preventing cancer in the first place (such as by not smoking), or using vaccinations to prevent a virus from spreading.

Also, the evidence that colonoscopies are appropriate for general screening (as opposed to screening only high-risk individuals) is not good, which is why only the U.S. and Germany currently use them in this way. In fact, it's quite likely that colonoscopies do more harm than good when used for general screening.

Some of us will finally get laid

And that is how my grandma became a lesbian

Tell us you’ve never met a real woman without telling us.

>society treats us as disposable

From the biological perspective, we are.

Mostly it’s because we prefer death to even one more minute of them

Always have an escape plan.

You forgot bigger brains & smarter

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This is why I wouldn't want to date a woman older than me. I'm already destined to die sooner and leave her alone longer.

Same thing with my family.

Damn

Do men even want to live that long?

And that’s the reason insurance companies often promote specula retirement policies for women due to their longevity. The money has to last much longer b

Haven’t for decades

A few years ago I heard about a study where they only looked at monks and nuns.

Both have similarly organized, very structured and repetitive days of work and prayer. They usually know exactly what's coming and don't tend to stress about things.

Unsurprisingly there was no significant difference in life expectancy.

No that’s incorrect.

Seeking emotional comfort sounds very gay, though. I'd rather die young.

I want to point out that part of the reason men engage in riskier behaviour than women is because they are taught to. It’s not just a “men are dumb” thing. Men and boys are encouraged to take risks and be more physical to a far greater extent than women and girls are, and that pressure comes from society in general, meaning everyone. Men and women.

Gay dudes have even more STDs than women do. Jacking off to porn or boinking blow-up dolls is the way to go if you want to 100% avoid STDs.

lol me and my bros aren't gay, nice try

If you google it 1 in 3 men in the US are overweight vs 1 in 4 women, so why is this incorrect?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db360.htm

Because a simplification of something like that is stupid. Also those numbers are incorrect.

Okay then let me rephrase that. Totally straight 100% heterosexual not-gay-at-all men who have sex with other men have high rates of STDs.

well this is news to me, i better tell the bros...

People place far too much value and power on virginity, fuck purity culture

Surprised this got downvoted. In many cultures it's common to be an educated women yet get married and take like 3-4 years off work even though they have strong degrees. I definitely don't envy being a women like you said though. I'd rather not have to walk around scared of the other gender.

As a white man, I'm scared to walk around the same places women are scared to walk around.

My numbers were for overweight

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity Obesity is a different statistic

Yes but there are definitely places a man can feel safe that a women can't. Such as bars literally in public. Or in a crowded train.

And obesity is what is much more statistically significant to health problems than being overweight. A great portion of professional and amateur male athletes are technically overweight. Basically none of them are obese. Obesity kills people, being overweight does not.

Edith, those bloomers give me the vapors.

Same. Talking about issues doesn’t change much. It’s nice to have some solidarity but, depending on what the problem is, it might not really matter.

Instead I can just be afraid of my own.

That’s where children come into play.

Sure but not even close to the majority. An average white woman in the US that gets married lives a much easier life than average anyone else in the world.

If she is older though your more likely to die about same time

About time for another penis inspection.

Obesity has a bigger effect on risk of death, but being overweight increases risk of death as well

You’re not wrong. However I still believe that curbing obesity is more important than curbing people that are overweight. BMI is a flawed measurement because it doesn’t account for muscle mass, therefor associating increased mortality with an overweight BMI is a flawed correlation; in my opinion. On the other hand, obesity is qualified by an excess of fat as well as exceedingly high BMIs. I know plenty of “skinny fat” people with more health problems than my friends that lift weights and would be considered overweight by BMI standards. This is anecdotal, but you can be overweight and healthier than a normal weight person. You cannot be obese and healthier than a normal weight person in almost all scenarios.

"By age 85, 67% of the population is female in the US."

That's a nonsensical statement. There are thousands of people in the US that are 85 years old. Is the US population currently 67% female?

I say this with multiple underlying caveats, but there are social aspects of being gay that give me personal freedoms many straight men haven’t embraced. For the ones who associate certain healthy bonding and emotional development behaviors with being gay and effeminate, they have to deal with that baggage that I personally am not weighed down by.

They want to think of me as gay for knowing and continually learning how to take care of my mental health and foster meaningful, healthy relationships in ways that would likely benefit them? Well, I am gay, and I’m doing pretty well with my life both superficially and substantively.

Good question.

…what?

That seems surprising to me. Men and women having different physiology makes it seem like there could be a reason one lives longer than the other inherently.

That's what I always thought but it's true. Traditionally men have more stressors and are taught from the beginning that they have to fight, solve problems, not cry and ideally never ask for help. If you can take those factors out of the picture it kinda makes sense that they live longer lifes. Sure, the physiology is different but they were made for those differences. Knowing nature if everyone can get what they need and there are no stressors they should pretty much be on equal footing.

I thought it was an interesting thesis. Very neat. Never really thought about it.

I used to follow similar thought processes and one detail that broke the outlook is a reminder that you are describing a specific minority of the gender. Yes, beautiful people of all genders have it easier and sure, I would agree that beautiful women have a whole different set of rules as long as they maintain that beauty.

But thought exercise: when you say these sweeping generalizations try to imagine it applying to an unattractive woman and you know the logic breaks down.

So we need to be sure to not judge based on the most successful unit in a sample size - with both genders. All women are manipulative house pets with an easy life no more than all men are predatory rape-machines just waiting to be triggered by exposed skin. These are outliers. Not defaults.

Except plenty of ugly or average looking women marry and have more comfortable lives because of their marriage.

I'm afraid I don't agree that this is limited to a gender.

If all someone wants is to get married and they are willing to ignore everything else it's not hard to find. Man, woman, or anything in between.

It just won't look like the pornos.

I'm sure some men lead more comfortable lives because they got married, but I'm sure they're a very small minority of all married men. Most married men have to work longer hours, support wife and kids, split all chores, etc. That's just the reality of the situation whether people find it off-putting or not.

Just gotta make it to 85 years old, then will be drowning in pussy.

I'd caution against assumptions.

Ok

Nah i'm just messing around haha - looks like 18 people took it wayyyy too serious - you can even see the "haha" marking it as a joke

Not really men are much more likely to be murdered than woman most men just aren’t thinking about it all the time.

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what's the joke, i don't get it

The joke is that's exactly what a boomer would say, even you replied and got it but they didn't

There's your chance, incels! Horny MILFs in your area. Go get them champs. Maybe they'll cook for you too.

So you're telling me there's a lot of hot, old singles in my area?

>Is the US population currently 67% female?

No, but apparently within the 85-and-older set, it is.

Put another way - A quick google search indicates that in 2019, there were 6.6 million 85+ in the USA. source. The number is probably a bit different now, but let's go with it.

So if 67% (two thirds) were female then 33% (one third) were male that's 4.4 million vs 2.2 million. There exist approximately two 85+ grannies for every one 85+ old man.

Worded like that makes more sense.

It's the other way around. People today are too morally degenerate and don't know what's right and wrong and just follows their instinctual desires like an animal.

I suppose the question then, is why are men eating like shit and not exercising, and what are we doing to actively promote healthy eating and exercise to men?

then again, I always get complimented by old people of my looks, while I never get complimented by people of my own age

The gender wage gap was made up but here's a real thing that puts men at an overall life disadvantage. If it were the other way around I could only imagine the feminist weaponization of this in another campaign against men.

So for equality do we show women where they are going wrong so they succeed more? Or provide male focused anti suicide support?

There are surgeries for that.

There's also a plausible hypothesis that there's a selection bias in effect when it comes to robustness in women.

The balance of births in a normal population ever so slightly favours men. That is, more boys are typically born than girls.

And when you control for all other factors, it turns out that pregnancies involving girls are slightly more likely to result in complications resulting in foetal death or spontaneous abortion. We don't know why.

What does this have to do with life expectancy? Well if girls have a tougher time getting through gestation, then that's an evolutionary selection pressure. Girls need a little "something" extra to survive the process than boys do.

As a result, the hypothesis suggests, born females have a biology which makes them slightly more resilient than born males. This makes little difference through most of life, but as you approach the end of life and the great longevity filter, those who are more robust will survive longer. Which happens to be women. Resulting in these huge demographic disparities when you get to the extreme ages.

Now is my chance, call me Mr steal yo grandma

Shit, so you're telling me the memes were right all along?

Men are more likely to be murdered because men are more likely to be in confrontations and men are more likely to engage in crime.

This is the reason why I don’t hire a sex worker.

The pros: Get laid.

Cons: Cost. Reminder of how lonely and pathetic I am.

Right now the cons outweigh the pros but if money ever stops being an issue I’ll do it in a heart beat.

its almost like men predominately do more physical labor (you know, the things that actually develop our world and society besides literal childbirth) and die earlier, which is a direct result of what they did while they were living

>don't do drugs and alcohol

Fuck it I'll just die young

Damn bro dude I replied to said men are safe I said they are not and here you are moving goal post just making men in general the bad guy. How about learning to read before you talk.

But they also get more Alzheimers's, more depression, less aphasia from stroke, less dyslexia, and less impulsivity (all of these are on average in large samples.

They were just explaining why men are more likely to get murdered.. they're not moving the goal posts. They're agreeing with you. How about learning to read before you talk.

Alright let’s take that same energy and apply it to black people we shouldn’t care that black people are killed because black people cause the most crime … see how fucking dumb your arguments are?

No idea what you're talking about... not even sure why you're so upset.

They are dismissing men being murdered because they are murdered by other men and you are backing them up. If you don’t know what’s going on then just stay out of it

They weren't dismissing it, they were just explaining why men are more likely to get murdered. You're the one throwing on the assumption that we don't care that men are getting murdered.

I can't. Need to get to the pharmacy for my antibiotics.

If I’m still alive at that age I’m playing with house money

If you do enough of those to die young, you're probably also going to die miserably, unless you just overdose

The biggest health risk for men is heart failure. And men with higher T have increased risk for heart attack and stroke.

Very few men are roofers. Or deep sea fisherman, Most men work in an office or retail setting. Most jobs are not building the Hoover dam.

Twice as many men own guns. I'm emotionally intelligent enough to understand that I've been depressed before and probably shouldn't have easy access to a gun.

And media plays a role in loneliness. Masculinity is played for joining the military vets have a high suicide rate from gun death. My uncle.

Masculinity is also played for adjusting identity to political party. It has self isolating messaging to make men more available to consume more propaganda. It sort of subverts group identity. It's more efficient if there's less people to bounce it off of.

And then our technology is isolating us. In the 90's everyone knew each other. We walked around outside. And we had meeting places where our friends were.

Men: *Start taking care of themselves to make it to the sex party retirement communities.

Old ppl dgaf

Facts, you get laid, but you remember she doesn't give a shit about you either, and you're literally paying money to feel some sense of affection

It breaks my heart as I trudge home, feeling absolutely worthless

It's basically the same as not having sex at all: nobody wants you, you're alone, and you're sad.

I mean there’s nothing wrong with meaningless sex but it’s kinda bummer that youre paying for it. Some people want love and some people want some ass and it feels bad that no one wants either from you 🥲

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Well, if you're having meaningless sex with someone you picked up, at least you know she was in to you! Plus, there's always some level of intimacy.

From prostitutes there's no intimacy, and they weren't in to you.

I went a few times but I don't generally go because it just sucks

Yeah exactly my point.

I’ve heard people say that professionals can be …err good at what they do…and that can include being a good conversationalist and overall lead to positive human interaction that transcends sex, but the transactional nature of it ruins it for sure.

also most of that behaviour is driven because “pussy” and “gotta impress the pussy” because as selective behavioural traits women like that behaviour in the mates they select, it is also a learned behaviour in both societal and interpersonal relationships aspects.

Essentially, men die for pussy, in most facets of life, subconsciously and consciously. We are slaves to vagina, it’s just expressed in such nuanced and complicated ways, than our non city dwelling ancestors had to deal with.

I say this because women are given more power now than in the past which also creates a way more black and white playing field for your average man.

It’s truly fascinating to learn about via societal behaviour and life experience.

So your saying once I turn 85 I'll have a chance at getting a girlfriend?

I am a left handed (-8years), Male(-6years) smoker(-10 years).

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At 44 I'm a medical miracle.

Oh, I read it to mean the men work themselves to death and the women benefit from it to live long lives. That's been my experience anyway.

So money won’t buy happiness, but it will buy you about thirty years.

Mine too! What did you guys get Aunt Bertha for Christmas?

Just working more than 40 hours a week leads to an increase in rates of non-communicable disease like heart disease, stroke or hypertension.

My life insurance policy

I want to live long enough to stop working, stop worrying, and enjoy it for a few years at the end. I don't think that's asking too much based on how much I'm putting in now.

How was life in the monastery?

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Certainly. I'm just pointing out a big factor that is usually overlooked. The downvotes show you why.

Christian conservatives hate this one little trick to extend your life.

It's certainly not just one thing, which is why I mentioned the missing X chromosome.

Well, really good for you. I do confide with my cousins when we're drinking, and it's certainly liberating even just for a bit, unlike before wherein I just bottled it up, and if it was too much, I thought of suicidal thoughts or kept beating myself up.... Or masturbation, hahahahaha, kidding...

I don't have money for psychiatric help, living in a 3rd World Country; and I know friends/family/romantic relations are not a substitute for this, but to vent out your frustrations and other negative thoughts to someone, at least for me, lessens that emotional baggage.

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Why?

I mean whether men or women have more stressors is kind of an impossible thing to quantify or measure. So I wouldn’t chalk it up to men being more stressed than women. If anything women have more reason than men to be stressed out given that we live in a, y’know, patriarchy.

It probably has to do with a mix of things, like how a lot of the men who would be in the oldest cohort right now died in WWII, how toxic masculinity disincentivizes men from reaching out for help, and how a lot of unhealthy behaviors are traditionally seen as masculine, like drinking, smoking, and murder. I’m sure other elements are a part of it too but stress is probably only related indirectly if at all

Sooo…what you’re saying is, if I make it to 85 my odds go way up?

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Also, it seems young men tend to do more stupid reckless shit in general I suppose. Not that young women don't do stupid shit but less often the potentially fatal kind of stupid.

It's the odd moderation part. I drink daily and also a member of r/alcoholism. I'm also older than most here. It's a combo I hate life but really NOT ready to die. Queue suicide hotlines please. I have called a couple times, got locked up a few times but all honesty they saved my life. Not really sure wanted life saved but it happens.

“Why do Jewish men die before their wives? They want to.” - Henny Youngman

We should also evaluate the impact that women's behaviors have on men. Being the bread winner of a family and being constantly nagged surely has adverse effects on men's health

You can talk all you want but it’s not going to help if society doesn’t care for you.

And why would it want to empathise with a group that’s labelled oppressive and privileged.