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wegqg t1_j21a51k wrote

Lol wait till you hear about the little mermaid.

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BigWetHole t1_j21aqgi wrote

So meatcanyons cartoon is based

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freelovew1 t1_j21bawl wrote

Happy to have a copy of original. Think it was Carlo Collodi

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suzukigun4life t1_j21bcai wrote

>Early in the project, in fact, Disney became so frustrated with Collodi’s story that he halted production. It was unsuitable for children, Disney concluded.

I mean, yeah.

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Lysergial t1_j21bmns wrote

There are a lot of these old stories that originally were very dark but got Disneyed by Disney or others

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estherstein t1_j21dmh8 wrote

My favorite is the bunnies with the little coffin.

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brianishere2 t1_j21j1ji wrote

I like the New Testament version, with a happy ending.

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Landlubber77 t1_j21jpj0 wrote

> A passage wherein a prostitute sat on Pinocchio's face and implored him to "lie to me, lie to me!" was especially divergent from the story modern audiences would come to know.

We need an adaptation of the original and I mean fucking immediately.

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Notagenyus t1_j21kxdu wrote

Murdering your conscious has to be a metaphor for something.

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fettermans_goiter t1_j21pzpr wrote

Can you imagine how dark a children’s story had to be in 1881, that the publisher was like “you gotta rewrite some of the fucked up parts”

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MrOvertson t1_j21rrrx wrote

Is there even any original tale that isn't just savage af

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SchillMcGuffin t1_j21t2vc wrote

>In this way Pinocchio resembles not the fairy tales of, say, Hans Christian Andersoen, in which good horrifying things happen to good children,

Fixed it for him.

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anonymous6789855433 t1_j21tz10 wrote

honestly though, remaking these movies into the much darker adult-themed stories they started as would be genius

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OddEpisode t1_j21vrk3 wrote

> Collodi’s moral is that you if you behave badly and do not obey adults, you will be bound, tortured, and killed

Makes sense that in the 19th century an adult having BTK fantasies about children would be celebrated.

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ZanyDelaney t1_j21y34e wrote

I read the original Italian language stories in my Italian language class. It was a serial with short instalments, filled with crazy surreal moments. Pinocchio dies at the end but the popularity led to him being brought back to life for more instalments. The later set of instalments are longer.

The nose growing bit only appears a few times. It is caused by lying in some cases but also occurs spontaneously at other times. At one point woodpeckers arrive to chip the nose back to normal size.

Le avventure di Pinocchio di Carlo Collodi

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SSSS_car_go t1_j225252 wrote

My mom gave that to my son when he was 8 or 9 so he would learn the “real” story and not the Disney version. I read it aloud to him, but I had to keep reading ahead then rewording around or skipping over the really scary parts. It is definitely not a children’s book.

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BrokenEye3 t1_j227w74 wrote

Even the Disney version ain't exactly sunshine and rainbows.

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TeasGhost t1_j228kf4 wrote

Fun fact he was supposed to be burned and die but they made the writer continue it

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BrokenEye3 t1_j229620 wrote

Replying to justpayin (#1,129,505)

Yup. The Sea Witch grusomely cuts the Little Mermaid's tail in half to give her "legs", but the Prince (there are few, if any named characters in the original) falls for someone else so she decides to murder him, but she can't go through with and commits suicide instead, and the narrator decides this would be the perfect time to remind us that dead mermaids can't go to Heaven because they're abominations and have no souls.

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schleppylundo t1_j22azos wrote

Replying to Klin24 (#1,135,612)

That’s technically a later development added by the Grimms to make it more appealing to the violence-hungry children of the time. Disney’s movie in fact draws from an older version, though they also added plenty to make it more appealing to that generation of children.

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fotorobot t1_j22b2ix wrote

Replying to wegqg (#1,129,429)

Which is a overly-happy ending because she gains a human soul. It spends like a sentence about her turning to foam, and the whole last paragraph about what she gained from her decision.

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fotorobot t1_j22be6z wrote

He behaved badly, but he wasn't hung for his bad behaviour. He was hung by the fox and cat because they are dangerous criminals. And the cricket didn't have a name.

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sy029 t1_j22e6pp wrote

>Early in the project, in fact, Disney became so frustrated with Collodi’s story that he halted production. It was unsuitable for children, Disney concluded

Shouldn't this have been something they looked into before greenlighting the project?

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fucktheroses t1_j22hot0 wrote

Even the disney version of Pinocchio scared the shit out of me as a kid. Those donkey boys are scary!

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calebmke t1_j22k4tk wrote

Replying to MahLilThrowaway (#1,133,093)

In the very first version, yes. But shortly after new chapters changes the story. He was now hung by some bandits, but he’s a living wooden doll, he doesn’t exactly need to breathe. So he just hangs around for awhile, then escapes. In the end he finds Geppeto after a long journey, Pinocchio finally learns to stop being such an ungrateful little prick, and they live happily as father and son.

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JamieAubrey t1_j22u50b wrote

!remind me when Pinocchio goes into public domain

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wednesdayskillsme t1_j232nee wrote

Replying to OddEpisode (#1,133,114)

The moral would be to get smart, not to obey adults. It is often showed in Pinocchio that adults are a thing to be aware of, a real and frequently met danger.

It's also shown how Pinocchio gets gradually smarter and start to think for himself, from believing the Fox and the Cat (the thing that led to his hanging) to learning to lie to the judge and tell him what he wants to hear.

Collodi wrote a cautionary tale for the poor masses of Italy and the message was to emancipate trough studying and rational thinking, or suffer the same fate Pinocchio suffered, that is to be dragged around by anyone with a little power, or to be robbed and swindled, reduced to an indentured servant.

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JesseCuster40 t1_j235auz wrote

How does hanging a wooden puppet work? Burning, maybe.

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Arthamel t1_j237ezl wrote

Replying to Klin24 (#1,135,612)

After cinderella is queen, she kills stepsisters, makes soup out of them and gives it to stepmother. She notices only after eating it whole and seeing bones at bottom of cauldron.

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three9 t1_j239an3 wrote

Replying to SecretDracula (#1,138,681)

Why does Hollywood think the public has this insatiable appetite for Pinocchio all of the sudden? Did the marketing algorithm just completely glitch out and they just went with it?

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EmperorG t1_j23ayht wrote

Replying to supagirl277 (#1,140,799)

Correction, it was the babies being born and sucking the prick out of her finger (cause they were looking for a teat to suck on) that revived her. Imagine passing out at a loom one day and then waking up in the middle of nowhere covered in blood (from the birth) and freshly birthed babies crawling all over you. Poor girl got a raw deal.

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HeartfulKitty t1_j23cde7 wrote

Replying to three9 (#1,141,441)

Disney was doing it as yet another remake in their long list of remakes, while Guillermo Del Toro made his more mature stop-motion one because it was a passion project of his that he's been wanting to make for a decade. I assume the third one was just trying to bite off some attention from the sudden influx of Pinocchio adaptations.

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Tacarub t1_j23eo4t wrote

Try reading original grimm brothers children tales . They are straight up horror stories ..

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drygnfyre t1_j23olt3 wrote

Almost all the fairy tales you've seen on screen are the "Disney'd" versions that are much more upbeat and happier than the original versions (or the various adaptations).

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95DarkFireII t1_j23q2ax wrote

Replying to Klin24 (#1,135,612)

That is still the original version told to children in Germany.

First sister cuts of a toe, second sister cuts of her heel.

Both are found out because the shoe starts leaking blood.

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fotorobot t1_j23q6l6 wrote

Replying to wegqg (#1,137,392)

I get the feeling that most redditors only know the synopsis, without having read the actual story. Yes, technically she does die, but tone of what happens in a story is just as important as the actual details. And the tone of the last part is anything but traumatic.

> The sun rose above the waves, and his warm rays fell on the cold foam of the little mermaid, who did not feel as if she were dying. She saw the bright sun, and all around her floated hundreds of transparent beautiful beings; she could see through them the white sails of the ship, and the red clouds in the sky; their speech was melodious, but too ethereal to be heard by mortal ears, as they were also unseen by mortal eyes. The little mermaid perceived that she had a body like theirs, and that she continued to rise higher and higher out of the foam. “Where am I?” asked she, and her voice sounded ethereal, as the voice of those who were with her; no earthly music could imitate it. “Among the daughters of the air,” answered one of them. “A mermaid has not an immortal soul, nor can she obtain one unless she wins the love of a human being.

And then like 3 more paragraphs about them getting an immortal soul.

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ashgallows t1_j23rw7s wrote

had a russian boss who said that the soviets had their own version where he defeated an evil circus ringmaster and used his key to unlock a door to glorious communist society.

she said she had no idea that it wasn't the original version after she moved to the states.

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HaikuBotStalksMe t1_j23taxw wrote

Replying to Krasker (#1,136,763)

I think they meant hold down as in like how a leash tied to a tree holds you in place. So down is not right, I agree, but probably meant like you receive self locomotion as a marionette - but the strings keep you in place.

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wegqg t1_j23tgrt wrote

Replying to fotorobot (#1,143,924)

She dies, what is there to misunderstand, it's not a happy ending dude it's just that she gets to die in the same way that humans die. IF you actually read it as a child then the ending is, unless you're deeply religious, extremely sad.

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otto280z t1_j23xwz6 wrote

Replying to ZanyDelaney (#1,133,546)

Tjis has enlightened me on something I only think about every few years but always mean to investigate. Ive read Pinocchio, but I always hear conflicting information about it that doesn't match what I remember. If I recall, he gets executed pretty early on in the story but goes on to be brought back by the blue fairy. So the Pinocchio story I knew is a collection of short stories, and thats why there are differences between the order of events. Thanks!

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Test_After t1_j23yr9o wrote

I came to the conclusion Collodi was the kind of person that woke up by some roadside with a sore head and empty pockets, so wrote another chapter of that puppet-boy thing as fast as he could, so he could get an advance from the newspaper that published it, drank said advance late ito the night, woke up by the roadside with a sore head.

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Ok_Concentrate_75 t1_j23zajr wrote

It's funny how, atleast in the USA, due to films we only see these as one offs but looking at comments he is a whole series...reminds me of Alice and wonderland and wizard of oz...back then they took the best story/origin and did a one off

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fotorobot t1_j23zn2y wrote

Replying to wegqg (#1,144,592)

It's a little sad, but not "extremely sad"- and then gets spun to sound happy again. It's a children's book that many children still read. I am not deeply religious, but you don't need to be religious to believe in fictional existence of souls in a fictional world.

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CurrentlyLucid t1_j2421s9 wrote

I read a hard cover edition as a kid, it was a big book. The full story never makes it to the movies.

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Matter_Infinite t1_j244vqd wrote

Replying to ypsm (#1,137,600)

>I sometimes tell my friends that if Disney ever made Romeo & Juliet, they’d make the title characters live happily ever after.

Not sure if you're setting people up to explain this, but

they did: The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride was based on R&J to keep with the Shakespeare theme since Lion King 1 was based on Hamlet.

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Zonerdrone t1_j2454m7 wrote

Omg, and I thought the Disney version traumatized me...

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cybercat5555 t1_j24deco wrote

Replying to Tacarub (#1,142,185)

The funny thing is the Brothers Grimms actually toned down some of the stories to be better presentable. My favourite has to the be the original Little Red Riding Hood "classification". Basically the wolf asks Red if she wants to go down the "path of needles or path of pins", then while she's distracted by the needles (which is said to represent her maturity, vs the pins which is said to mark immaturity), the wolf rushes to the grandmother's house, kills her, collects her blood in a wine glass/wine bottle, then prepares her flesh (variants include just slicing it, but some cases he makes it into meatballs or sausage), then once Red comes, the wolf tells her to have dinner (which is ofc her grandmother), a cat and a bird try to warn her what the "dinner" is, but the wolf tells her to ignore them, then to take off her clothes, throw them in the fire, and told her to get in bed with him, when he then "lept on her", devoured her and then the story ended. Its very obviously about avoiding suspicious men as you enter young adulthood.

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revtim t1_j24hmih wrote

When I was very young my Dad gave me an English translation of the original Pinocchio, and I was *not* expecting him to murder the cricket. It was a bit disturbing.

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Thighbleman t1_j25080b wrote

I(30yo from Poland) regularly see those "the original was f.... up" posts about classic fairy tales. Everytime I'm like... oh yea, I remember it... or how the tale works without that part? This time its 1st option... i think i even remember part that describes the fogging vision... i grew up mostly ok though

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SaintGalentine t1_j251tl4 wrote

I wish the Del Toro version would have included hanging

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FinishFew1701 t1_j2535ne wrote

Replying to Lysergial (#1,129,693)

Might I point out that Fairy Tales are no walk-in-the-park either. We all know that "Ring around the Roses" is about deaths stemming from the Bubonic Plague. Other examples are Three Blind Mice (executed bishops who refused to bow, essentially), Marry Mary Quite Contrary (Religious war brought by royalty), London Bridge (Brits attacked by the Norse and human sacrifice), Rub a dub dub (about peeping toms- it originated as 3 women in a tub), This Old Man (Brits disgusted at the Irish during the Potato Famine. Paddy whack? Yup. Not a nice term). It goes on and on. So, hail King Disney for his ability to bring light to these really dark, then-current events. I mean, he (Walter Elias Disney) was kind of an outlier himself, but he could draw...

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FinishFew1701 t1_j255u92 wrote

Replying to three9 (#1,141,441)

Studies have shown that, like those who inspired the telling of fairy tales (or what we think of as modern day FT), zombies are the fairy tale of our times and they are linked to our collective consciousness and our frailties and insecurities of our world. Themes that we are used to simply resurface and somehow, to us, this is something makers of media think we consistently need to see. Is it commentary on our current events?

[zombie$]https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/story/lifestyle/2017/07/06/a-look-at-pop-culture/17647818007

Zzzombies

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FinishFew1701 t1_j2589w8 wrote

Replying to council2022 (#1,151,339)

Oof. Today's environment could not handle it. It'd be canceled from the jump. Unless it was presented in a girlpower/all-men-are-bad theme. Maybe change the ending to have her actually be the "wolf" that lured the wolf. Having her die, in bed, to the wolf, in such a way, would make it a social target. It would feature "Trigger warnings."

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ZanyDelaney t1_j258dzn wrote

Replying to otto280z (#1,145,518)

Yes I seem recall many instalments end on a cliff-hanger that seems impossible to get out of. The next instalment then quickly resolves that with a magical Deus ex Machina and we're off on a new adventure.

I do recall one especially disturbing segment where Pinocchio and his friend Lucignolo are turned into donkeys, separated, and sent to work doing different strenuous jobs. Pinocchio's owner tries to drown him to make his hide into a drum but Pinocchio emerges from the water and announces the fish ate away all the donkey parts. Pinocchio meets Lucignolo again later. Lucignolo is dying of exhaustion and Pinocchio takes on his work until Lucignolo dies.

I've seen clips from movies including the 2002 Roberto Benigni film (which Italians don't seem to hate as much as Americans) and it was obvious from just the clips that many moments from the original stories are simplified or even skipped entirely in adaptations.

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original_ninjapigeon t1_j25eprw wrote

Replying to Matter_Infinite (#1,146,888)

Man, just to add to the tragic childhood stories- how many of you know the original Peter Pan where Tinkerbell actually dies? there's a scene where they expected the audience to applaud to help her resurrect. Applaud. Tinker bell's. Death.

and some kids shows are considered harsh these days?

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Unintelligent_Lemon t1_j25j57i wrote

Love Pinocchio! Favorite book as a child. Pinocchio also gets turned into a donkey and forced to perform at a circus until he hurts his leg and becomes lame. Then he's sold go a guy who wants to use his hide for a drum and drowns him in the sea!

Lampwick also shows up at the end (as a donkey) and dies.

Honestly the book reads more whimsical than dark. Lots of random shit happens. It's bonkers. Snake with a fire tail Pinocchio being forced to live as a guard dog That time Pinocchio tries to Crack an egg to cook and eat and a chick flies out. The talking cricket that Pinocchio kills comes back twice. Once as a ghost and the other time as a doctor.

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Contact-1nk t1_j2cehal wrote

I first read an illustrated book with this version of the story, I still remember the image of the puppet hanging from a dead tree

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