Golilizzy t1_j28doo2 wrote
Reply to comment by PM_ME_UR_TESTIMONIES in TIL that calls directed to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline rose by 27% after the release of 1-800-273-8255 by American rapper Logic. by Sun_Aria
You kno why I didn’t like it? There wasnt actually any heart in it. It was obvious that it was made to try awareness. It wasn’t made with a reason other than for the artists to feel good about themselves doing something to help others. No real pain or passion tied into it. No story as to what drove them to make it.
The “ I want you alive” seem so fake. Like i was seriously depressed at one point because people around me bullying me all the time and I didn’t have anyone at home to speak about it with. What stopped me from actually following through was the thought of my parents pain.
That type of inclusion would have felt raw and real. Instead they kept it super generic. That’s why I think people felt that it was cringy and a way for them to feel better about themselves.
If each had shared a verse of them being on the eve and what drove them back, with the chorus remaining generic, that would have been magnitudes better.
And the Grammy for it felt like the the industry patting itself on the back cuz they did a good thing by doing that. Just get Fake all around.
Could have been done much better imo
A great example of truly sobering and suicide related song is swimming pool by Kendrick. That has his personal true raw material that he ties so perfectly into the subject of addiction and suicide
Of course no Grammy for him for that album. By far deserved album of the year but Grammys are racist af
Still tho, I wanna thank logic for doing it. It clearly helped the world and that’s what matters. My personal opinion on the song doesn’t really matter if it genuinely helped saved lives.
I’m just trying to shed some light on to why there were groups of people who didn’t like it.
GlialUreterostenosis t1_j28q2t5 wrote
Cheeto_Enjoyer_420 t1_j28z8sl wrote
lmao this is dead on the money as to why i dont like logic very much despite him being a very good rapper "technically". or at least logic with that vibe, he does have some good songs.
in particular that "who can relate? WOO" line is just laughably ridiculous and bad
the guy in general is like... reddit personified as a rapper. "we played chess and watched anime while recording this" is randomly thrown in there in one of his album, come on man, have some self awareness
bleunt t1_j28hb7w wrote
I guess I'm pragmatic like that. It's like corporations supporting LGBTQ only once a clear majority of consumers do. Yeah, it's fake as fuck and they would not do it if the issue only had 30% support. But it still has a positive effect. So did this, apparently.
I don't see anything wrong with doing good things because it makes you feel good. That's how humans work. It's beneficial behavior, and such behaviour will be evolutionarily rewarded with dopamine.
BiblioPhil t1_j28yghc wrote
Yeah, I struggle to understand why people get so worked up over the possibility that someone is getting satisfaction from doing good things. Why does it even matter why someone is doing it, as long as the end result is a good in itself?
See also: The hysteria over virtue-signalling. Like, who cares if someone is being smug? Smugness doesn't hurt people like racism or homophobia does.
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Lukas_Madrid t1_j28f7oh wrote
Good writeup, basically my thoughts. He's had some cringy ass bars which are like"suicide made me money" or some shit in another song too
Golilizzy t1_j2bb6vd wrote
Thanks. Was worried it was gonna be controversial so wanted to make sure my thoughts were clear and well explained. Appreciate the kind words :)
LuangPrabangisinLaos t1_j28wnhf wrote
>No real pain or passion tied into it
Kind of sick that a project around awareness can be disregarded because the audience can't enjoy a painful connection between the artist and their work. That sentiment is in the same vein as the enjoyment of blood sports.
Mother_Welder_5272 t1_j293ueg wrote
It's not that, it's that pussyfooting around the topic can actually make it worse IMO. The root causes of our mental health epidemic is the way we structure society and the economy. There are fundamental ways that we've set up the world (and everyday things like jobs) that do not jive with our biology or ecology. The solution is systemic change.
Corporations and virtue signaling celebrities have found a comfortable middle ground where they can put the onus on the individual and shirk any need for collective change. "Don't be afraid to speak" or "Take care of yourself, nobody wants to see you go" or "we need to stop the stigma". These are meaningless phrases that do nothing to address the epidemic. It neuters any attempt to get to the issue at it's heart, because the agreed upon solution is now "just get some health insurance and pay hundreds for a therapist, or tens of thousands for inpatient care! The system works great!" That is the spectrum of options we're given when everyone just parrots the accepted "take care of yourself" line.
When you actually suggest systemic solutions, or talk truly honestly about your struggles and what would solve them, all of a sudden people can't make eye contact and they change the conversation real quick.
LuangPrabangisinLaos t1_j2asrfx wrote
>The root causes of our mental health epidemic is the way we structure society and the economy.
I think the root cause of our mental health epidemic is mental illness.
chaotic_world t1_j28fcu2 wrote
What I've heard of Logic, I mostly like, but I agree that it lacked any sense of true emotion. Joyner Lucas did it better with "I'm Sorry" IMO... the song and video seemed like he understood the feeling of despair.
donkey2471 t1_j28rco9 wrote
That's because Logic is rumoured to of stolen the idea of titling the track with the number. Joyner claims he was going to title his album with it and told Logic who then named a song it.
locojt t1_j28tz24 wrote
You got any more info on that?
donkey2471 t1_j28v0qe wrote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3u2AES9i0k&t=5s This is the video i got it from, watched it years ago so might be a little different
locojt t1_j293nmv wrote
Crazy video cuz they have done songs together since this interview!
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locojt t1_j29ixb9 wrote
Joe Budden told Joyner in the interview that was linked that he basically had no right to be mad at logic and his manager that he shouldn't have been sharing the shit he was working on with them in the first place, cuz that's the business they are in.
yazzy1233 t1_j28vnk0 wrote
That song hit heavy
Hobbs512 t1_j28yjff wrote
Yeah virtue signaling that has a positive impact on society is still a good thing. We always act selfishly when trying to help others, because it makes us feel better about ourselves, or we know we'd feel guilty if we didn't do it. But it's still a good thing.
I just wonder how many of those calls were just non-suicidal people either ignorantly, or curiously, calling the number and took up room that ppl who really need it could've used. But i doubt that represents the majority of the additional calls.
DJJohnson49 t1_j29lvfr wrote
I agree that Kendrick should have won a grammy, but just fyi 1-800 did not win a grammy, it was nominated.
BFB_HipHop t1_j2b2d0i wrote
I never thought of Swimming Pools as a suicide related song, I actually thought the song you were referring to was U when I read the first half of the sentence.
Golilizzy t1_j2ba9oc wrote
It’s the concept of drinking yourself to death due to your mental problems. That’s why I personally classify it as a suicide song but I like your choice as well.
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