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Future_Direction5174 t1_ixwelb0 wrote

If you like loganberries (originally bred from by Judge Logan back in the 1880’s), you should also like tayberries bred from more recent strains of raspberries and blackberries.

Commercial growers have developed many new strains of raspberries and blackberries since when Judge Logan first introduced his hybrid.

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Narase33 t1_ixy91z0 wrote

Planted them last year, Im so excited

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Dfrickster87 t1_ixwglru wrote

Similar to boysenberry iirc

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Hydrospacer1000 t1_ixx161r wrote

I love boysenberries. Apparently they are a cross of loganberries, raspberries, blackberries, and dewberries.

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Dfrickster87 t1_ixxalm1 wrote

I didn't know it was a cross from all of that. But I'm pretty sure its history is tied to Knotts Berry Farms in LA (County, not sure the city) which is essentially an amusement park today.

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Hydrospacer1000 t1_ixxh3vz wrote

The farm’s actually in Orange County, in the city of Buena Park. They have a big boysenberry festival every year

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darkorex t1_ixwahxz wrote

How they taste?

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TelescopiumHerscheli OP t1_ixwb3np wrote

I've only had them stewed, not fresh: they were sweet, without the sharpness of blackberries, and the taste was somehow "heavier" than raspberries.

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politicsfreepodcast t1_ixwojbq wrote

Imo, better than blackberries or raspberries. They're sweet and blackberry-ish tasting but less strong. If that makes sense.

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ChairmanUzamaoki t1_ixx2tdi wrote

Yeah, i enjoy the flsvor of raspberries a ton but they are very strong and can't eat a ton at a time. They're literally like fuckin candy. I love them

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ltommy t1_ixwtzao wrote

As a blackberry disliker, and raspberry liker. I think theyre worse.

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drabutterflybo t1_ixx0qcx wrote

I had no idea there was such a thing as loganberries.

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snow_michael t1_iy5vzw4 wrote

They are now a species, as they can breed true

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TelescopiumHerscheli OP t1_iy63jg0 wrote

That's fascinating. Any chance of a link, please?

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snow_michael t1_iy64t4e wrote

The wikipedia article contains details, including the species name

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TelescopiumHerscheli OP t1_iy7msi5 wrote

How strange! When I look at Wikipedia, I don't see a species name, nor do I see any evidence that they breed true. I can see a hybrid name (× loganobaccus) within the Rubus genus, but I don't see a species name. Nor does the version of the article that I can see say anything about them breeding true. Are you looking at a different language Wiki, perhaps?

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snow_michael t1_iy8bmjr wrote

Can you see "Progeny from Logan's original plant was introduced to Europe in 1897"?

That's the 'breeding true', otherwise there would be no loganberries grown from that progeny in e.g. the UK

In my garden I have loganberry canes that put out runners every year which I give away to friends and family, and which grow into fruit-bearing loganberry bushes, and I - well, my gardener - has grown loganberry plants from the seeds of fruit from those canes

In the UK an X in a species name identifies a non-fertile hybrid (q.v. Liger) so the species name is Rubus loganobaccus ref. CABI digital library

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TelescopiumHerscheli OP t1_iy8j76i wrote

The 'X' does indeed indicate that the cross is non-fertile. This is why it's not a species: members of a species can breed to produce "vigorous fertile offspring", which is not what we have here. Reproduction by runners isn't "breeding true", because it's not breeding. It's asexual reproduction. Reproduction from seeds isn't "breeding true" unless the seeds produce the same kind of fruits and plants as the parents. If you have evidence to the contrary, please would you provide us with a suitable link. Thanks.

Loganberries do not form a separate species, but are a hybrid. If you believe otherwise, please provide an unambiguous reference from a respectable source that supports your claim. Thanks.

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AmnesiaInnocent t1_ixwpzo2 wrote

Willy Wonka: The strawberries taste like strawberries. The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

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DerpingtonHerpsworth t1_iy0oh9d wrote

I learned something about this just the other day. It seems to me like it's untrue/rewriting history, but there are some people that believe snozzberry was a code word for penis by Roald Dahl.

Apparently he used the word in a later "adult" story of his; "I grabbed hold of his snozzberry...". Some take this to mean it was a penis all along, but personally I think it was still just a nonsense word he made up and used for more than one purpose.

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