Loki-L t1_iy38zwv wrote
Reply to comment by COMPUTER1313 in TIL that a month before the fall of the Berlin Wall, East Germany's government attempted to order an arrest of about 86,000 people by COMPUTER1313
By the time they came up with that idea it was arguably already too late.
Had they cracked down on the first Monday protests at the beginning, things might have gone differently.
Each week people saw that the protests were not violently crushed and more decided to take the risk to join the next Monday.
The more people joined the harder crushing the protest became and the safer protesting became.
The safer the protests appeared the easier it was for people to decide to take the risk to join.
They couldn't prevent their people from learning about the movement because radio and TV broadcast from west Germany and West Berlin reached much of East Germany. They couldn't pretend the protest weren't happening and were to afraid to violently crush them.
It didn't help that the whole apparatus of the GDR discouraged people at the bottom of the hierarchy from showing imitative and that people at all levels had the impression that if push came to shove their superiors wouldn't have their backs and they would need to get everything in writing and look out for themselves first.
This is how it ended too.
On November 9th Günter Schabowski was announcing new travel regulations that he had not really been briefed on in detail at an international press conference. What was meant as a one-way safety valve to get rid of the worst trouble makers in a last ditch effort. Was misinterpreted as a free for all abolishing of all travel restrictions and when one reported asked when this would come into effect he simply said "As far as I know immediately, without delay".
Nobody in power was able or willing to correct that mistake and the low level soldiers manning the border checkpoints and their superiors knew they were fucked. Nobody in power would go on record to issue any orders. If they tried anything not only would they receive violence from the mob that wanted to pass though, but they would also be thrown to the wolves by the rulers for having acted without orders.
Even if orders had come down at that point, they might not have been followed. The people didn't necessarily want to shoot their fellow citizens after all.
That is the problem with the whole only following orders mentality. Without orders there were precious few willing to show any kind of initiative that would put them at risk.
herbw t1_iy3v32t wrote
The exact same process is ongoing in Iran and Chung Hua today on the streets. Over 75% of the people of teheran hate their gov. Now that same gov is slaughtering their own daughters.
there is NO future in that. Either.
ShalmaneserIII t1_iy3g1mh wrote
> Had they cracked down on the first Monday protests at the beginning, things might have gone differently.
This seems to be a frequent miscalculation of authoritarian regimes- the idea that if they let the boot up for a while it'll be okay and let some pressure off. It does not- it only aggravates the situation.
Once you put the boot down, you must forever keep it down.
herbw t1_iy3vavb wrote
Once they "put the boot down", the outcomes of self destruction are fore-ordained.
Their FIRST & Last miscalculation is their very existence.
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