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tokynambu t1_ixtzx2b wrote

Reply to comment by black_flag_4ever in TIL of the Arisan Maru, a Japanese "hell ship" that was torpedoed while carrying Allied prisoners of war. None of the 1,781 passengers were killed by the explosion, but other Japanese ships refused to rescue them, resulting in only 9 survivors. by Jupitair

Japanese culture. Of course, now we are supposed to pretend it is entirely different. See also: Germany, where running death camps on an industrial scale is now completely dismissed as stuff other people did, nothing to do with us.

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AndiamoABerlinoBeppe t1_ixu0gs7 wrote

Say what you will about Germany, but their genocidal past is worked through super intensely at school. The concept of „Vergangenheitsbewältigung“ rests on making clear that is was in fact Germans committing the holocaust.

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thecamp2000 t1_ixu410p wrote

We definitely doing better then others ehh screw that we doing better then everyone. Still the fact that there are people from the Afd and all sorts of deniers makes me think denazification didn't go far enough.

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centizen24 t1_ixv79p7 wrote

I went on a school band trip to Germany about fifteen years ago. We had these special shirts made that were in our school colors, with a Canadian flag on one sleeve and a German flag on the other. Our teachers handed them out to some of the German students and teachers we were playing for and while they put them on, we noticed every German person wearing the shirt crossed their arms in such a way the German flag was covered but the Canadian flag was left uncovered.

We thought we'd offended them by not having the flag be more prominent, but as it was explained to us by one of the German teachers, it's still considered somewhat taboo to wear the German flag openly as a private citizen.

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ItsACaragor t1_ixu23da wrote

You don’t know much about Germany, do you?

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tokynambu t1_ixu9v5m wrote

I know that after holding a few trials after the war, almost everyone that was imprisoned for involvement in the Holocaust was freed, because the German population thought that it was not a crime. Consider, as a random example, Victor Capesius. Sentenced to nine years to make it look like Germany was tough on the Holocaust. Released after two and a half, because they didn’t really think it was a crime. Robert Mulka, Hoess’s deputy. Sentenced to 14 years (and not until 1964, because no could be bothered to prosecute him until then), released after four. And so on, and so on. Germany did not want to prosecute people who were the senior management of the Holocaust, and then when forced by international opinion to pretend to be outraged gave sentences that they never intended should be served. Klaus Dylewski, sentenced to five years (for “aiding and abetting murder on 32 separate occasions, 2 involving the murder of at least 750 people"), but only served three. Germany thought mass murder was not deserving of serious punishment.

Thank God Israel tried Eichmann rather than west Germany. A Bonn court would have given him a medal and a pension.

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iSoinic t1_ixv0ukq wrote

Bro you are shifting goal posts. You initially stated something about the nowadays culture, but in this comment you are referring to post-war Germany. Don't you know that in the meantime 80 years passed and bascially all people from then are dead now?

You obviously never spoke with anyone from Germany, since even illiterate people from here are aware about the failed denazification process. But actually, we are even working up this by now and are far away from seeing us from finished.

I hope you have the same critical perspective, thinking about the crimes I am sure your ancestors committed.

None human is free of the guilt for what happened, when we could have interfered. It's part of our shared history and we have to live with the absence of all those people killed.

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Outrageous-Suspect66 t1_ixu1rj5 wrote

I don't know what you're saying. Japan was treated, and seen better in the West, as compared Germany. Japan's current growing problem is with eastern countries. Those same countries have dark history they are trying to cover up.

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E_Snap t1_ixu266n wrote

He’s talking about how every time you critique something online that a Japanese person is doing, people come out of the woodwork to go “Oh, but they’re japanese, they obviously took that into account because of their culture,”

For example, food health and safety and those Nagashi Somen rivers.

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