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lego_office_worker t1_iqx2n6j wrote

all new thoughts that rub up against mainstream thinking are treated like this.

germ theory of disease, the idea that the universe had a beginning, almost any major shift in thinking is immediately met with ad hominems and ridicule within the scientific community.

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NightOfTheHunter t1_iqyirnc wrote

Ignaz Semmelweis, the first to realize that physicians washing their hands saved the lives of women in childbirth, died in an asylum after being ridiculed by doctors who saw no reason to wash between touching corpses and delivering babies. He died of gangrene from beatings by guards. What a heartbreaking life, knowing he figured out how to keep women alive, only to be crushed by the system because no one knew about germs.

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Individual-Jaguar885 t1_iqxj62j wrote

Something like: “People we’re once ridiculed for saying the Covid vaccine wasn’t as effective as we were initially led to believe.”

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Penquinn14 t1_iqxo58z wrote

Yeah that vocal minority of people are just politely saying it's not as effective as we initially thought and not that it doesn't work at all and is giving people autism

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EndoExo t1_iqxppqq wrote

Don't forget how it's going to sterilize and/or kill us to fulfill the Jews' Globalist Elite's plan to depopulate the Earth.

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Individual-Jaguar885 t1_iqxrskg wrote

Never said that

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Chillchinchila1 t1_iqxwc60 wrote

If you’re anything like 99% of antivaxxers, you used to but moved the goalposts once people didn’t start dropping dead in the street.

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kanated t1_iqxr0lb wrote

>wasn’t as effective as we were initially led to believe.

What were we "initially led to believe"?

I was initially led to believe that the vaccine was highly effective at preventing serious cases and that the virus was highly mutable. So far everything checks out.

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Individual-Jaguar885 t1_iqxrvxi wrote

That it “prevented transmission” which was untrue but considered “misinformation” to say otherwise

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godblessthischild t1_iqxsxiv wrote

It did prevent transmission until delta got here

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Individual-Jaguar885 t1_iqxu3l3 wrote

No. It. Did. Not.

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UrbanGhost114 t1_iqxyzk6 wrote

Yes. It. Did.

You think that if it's not 100% effective, it's not working.

But that's not how science works, and especially not how health science works, and it's not ever what the science said.

If you stopped to actually read actual scientific studies from scientists that study this stuff, instead of memes based off of press releases from politicians, you would know what the veracity was, and how it worked for each of the vaccines (there were easy to read tables and everything). And when delta came out, they updated the tables, and surprise, it worked, just not as well, and the scientific releases reflected the changes, and the likely explanation with the information they had at the time (which turned out to be relitively accurate for the fly by the seat of your pants fast pace this stuff was going down).

This whole thing really highlighted the lack of health science literacy in the world, and the difficulty in fixing that issue.

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substantial-freud t1_iqy53j4 wrote

> What were we "initially led to believe"?

95% reduction in infection.

> I was initially led to believe that the vaccine was highly effective at preventing serious cases and that the virus was highly mutable

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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substantial-freud t1_iqy4vbh wrote

Haha, every downvote you get demonstrates the mechanism at work.

Yes, scientists in the past were wrong and that’s very important to remember but not important enough that you are allowed to question scientists who have produced a conclusion I support!

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