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VengefulMight OP t1_jd6tc5j wrote

I would imagine that Pacino’s tantrum is little known, because it was overshadowed by Marlon Brandon’s own boycott.

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RUNdoneDIDit t1_jd71zvs wrote

Does it not go by whoever gets top billing. Whoever is top on the list is the main actor and anyone underneath is supporting?

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SpunKDH t1_jd76gvi wrote

Replying to VengefulMight (#2,301,223)

I don't get you people with this stance. Is it a masterpiece? Maybe not but still a great movie with a solid story. Your purism is really borderline gatekeeping and totally childish

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TomHanksBeachDay t1_jd78yuy wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,301,367)

Or maybe because he’s the main character and not in a supporting role. And should Brando win over him he wants lose properly, nominated in the same category as him (the Godfather has 2 main characters . Instead of moving down to the supporting category, taking a supporting actor who deserved to win’s Oscar, taking a different actor’s nomination, and for the rest of time everyone thinking “Wow, did Pacino really move categories just to not lose to Brando and win one for himself…. what a bitch.”

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TomHanksBeachDay t1_jd7901r wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,301,367)

Or maybe because he’s the main character and not in a supporting role. And should Brando win over him he wants lose properly, nominated in the same category as him (the Godfather has 2 main characters). Instead of moving down to the supporting category, taking a supporting actor who deserved to win’s Oscar, taking a different actor’s nomination, and for the rest of time everyone thinking “Wow, did Pacino really move categories just to not lose to Brando and win one for himself…. what a bitch.”

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RedshirtStormtrooper t1_jd7ar64 wrote

Replying to SpunKDH (#2,301,592)

The irony of your gatekeeping comments are the real gift of this thread. Go on and tell us more about what we should or should not enjoy, yano, in case our childish brains don't comprehend the magnificent world of Cinema.

Edit: gotdamn, they deleted their whole Reddit life

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bobcat7781 t1_jd7o1yo wrote

Al, the movie wasn't called "The Godfather's Son".

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iamtheju t1_jd7p5jb wrote

Replying to hotpants86 (#2,302,433)

You nominate for the Oscar you think you can win. It happens all the time. It's understandable that he wanted the bigger nomination but the other poster is correct that he had no chance against Brando.

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[deleted] t1_jd7yxro wrote

That’s a weird picture of Al Pacino.

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elvis_depressedly8 t1_jd87pwe wrote

Replying to bobcat7781 (#2,302,889)

But the whole movie literally is about Michael becoming The Godfather. They won’t even take the wedding picture until he’s there, that’s how important Michael is. When the family needs someone to step up, it’s almost always Michael. So much so that he has to flee to Sicily for a huge chunk of time.

Marlon Brando isn’t the main character. He was just the biggest name associated with the movie at the time.

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ipauljr44 t1_jd8asez wrote

Brando meanwhile boycotted the Academy Awards to protest Hollywood’s treatment of Native Americans. I wonder who is the bigger man.

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shivermetimbers68 t1_jd8d0cp wrote

I would have switched it. Actually, I would have given the supporting award to James Caan. He was the pulse of the movie until...

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jemmylegs t1_jd8hq86 wrote

Do you want to include the name of the movie somewhere…?

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template009 t1_jd8megj wrote

And then Brando sent a Mexican women to refuse the award on behalf of Native people.

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freedfg t1_jd8wgqf wrote

I mean. I'd be royally pissed too.

He is the main character. The protagonist.

The movie is ABOUT Michael.

Supporting actor I guess idk.

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Remote-District-9255 t1_jd8xc8k wrote

Title character, brah. *I was thinking the baptism was in GF2 but I guess it was at the end of 1

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Rebloodican t1_jd8y0b1 wrote

Replying to RUNdoneDIDit (#2,301,353)

Judas and the Black Messiah nominated their two lead actors in the Best Supporting Actor category. Movie producers are ultimately the ones who make the call (and will slot their actors/actresses strategically to maximize the awards they can get).

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sabersquirl t1_jd92psm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,303,749)

Tell me you haven’t been on reddit for very long without telling me. If you didn’t know, Reddit often pulls the first image from a page for the thumbnail. So if I were a betting man, I would have to guess the article isn’t specifically about Al Pacino.

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SgtSharki t1_jd948wv wrote

Pacino lost Best Supporting Actor to Joel Grey for his performance as the MC in "Cabaret", so I doubt most people even remember this happened.

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ricottapie t1_jd9cazl wrote

From the 1979 interview, as cited on Wiki: >Before Serpico, you were up for Best Supporting Actor for The Godfather. Do you feel you were in the wrong category?

>Pacino: Oh, sure. Definitely. That was outrageous. It's things like that that get you a little sour. I decided to pass the ceremonies by. There were certain people around me who wanted to write a letter, who wanted me to announce that I would not accept the nomination. I would always say, "Let it go. Let it go. Don't make waves." But then, even though I didn't go, I watched it on TV. I felt bad. I didn't care for that kind of contradiction.

Sounds like he was encouraged to boycott it but didn't follow through on an official level. He just didn't show up. That could be taken as a statement in itself, but he wasn't one for public appearances or doing a lot of press, so it probably didn't even register with those not in the know as a rebuff. And then he felt bad, haha.

Edited to close the quotation marks

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gortexcondom t1_jd9oblb wrote

Replying to template009 (#2,305,628)

You do realize people from Mexico can be indigenous too? It’s Native American, not native United States. America is more than one continent and it’s not like the indigenous people even used our same borders anyways…

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series_hybrid t1_jd9uha5 wrote

I would argue that the GF was about the transformation of Michael from the straight kid that was going to become a senator, to the most cunning mob boss ever. To understand Michael, you had to show some of Vito's story, but...in my mind, Michael is definitely the protagonist.

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template009 t1_jd9wbmd wrote

Replying to gortexcondom (#2,308,735)

Holy shit! You mean the Aztecs were real!?

She claimed her name is Sacheen Littlefeather, that she is Apache and Yaqui. Her real name is Cruz and she has not a drop of Native blood.

This would have been so easy for you to look up, it is astonishing that you decided, instead, to point out the laughably obvious.

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gortexcondom t1_jd9xcoi wrote

Replying to template009 (#2,309,325)

lmao that made me laugh. I’m aware she faked being indigenous, I didn’t need to look it up. I just didn’t like the way you worded it, why mention she was Mexican? Being Mexican and native isn’t mutually exclusive… that’s all I was saying. Kinda off putting when people like you focus so much on race

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gortexcondom t1_jd9zrxw wrote

Replying to template009 (#2,309,552)

Do you wonder why many other people downvoted your initial comment? Albeit true, you added nothing of substance to the conversation. I hope you realize that, it was weird of you to make this post about race.

Says a lot about you, that you’re upset over Marlon Brando protesting for Native American rights...

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Pluto_Rising t1_jda0poi wrote

Replying to qwertycantread (#2,309,585)

Right? Brando was considered non- hireable, he was on a losing streak, and a total prima donna. That biopic that came out last year was a master class.

Had to fight to get Pacino cast too, as I recall. Forget atm who they wanted originally for Michael.

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Anx1etyD0g t1_jda3xt7 wrote

Replying to freedfg (#2,306,464)

Vito Corleone (Marlon Brando) is on the cover, and on posters with the title. He is Godfather for a large amount of screen time. A significant element of the story is how large of a figure Vito is, and his shadow looms over Michael after becoming Godfather. Take into account Brando's huge career before that, and it makes sense for him to be considered the lead.

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Pluto_Rising t1_jda4ed2 wrote

Replying to qwertycantread (#2,309,796)

It's really good. Even for someone who's never seen any of the Godfather trilogy.

The Offer is about Al Ruddy, an unknown whose boss at Paramount decided could make an impossible-to-make film.

Tons of amazing trivia facts along the way that most of us were totally unaware of.

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Gooseloff t1_jdaeb69 wrote

I always hated when they do this. Specifically, they did the same shit on Lion and I always thought it was dumb.

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the_killer_cannabis t1_jdake6z wrote

Replying to Anx1etyD0g (#2,309,888)

From a story structure standpoint, Vito is in no way shape or form the lead. This is simply industry respect and politics. Forget screen time, measuring that is pointless. Red has the most screentime in Shawshank but Andy Dufrane is very clearly the protagonist of that story. Theory wise (and in practice), the best way to identify the protagonist of a story is to see which character has the strongest desire and acts on it. Now, they doesn't necessarily make them the lead too, but in the case of Michael/The God Father it does.

The reason he was nominated for best supporting is the same reason Timothy Hutton was put up for best supporting actor in Ordinary People when he was very clearly the lead there as well.

The academy/industry has a habit of pushing an actor to supporting when nominating because they think they'll have an easier time winning that category or because they have another actor in the film they'd prefer to nominate for best actor. It's that simple.

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pinkheartpiper t1_jdalkbq wrote

Replying to Anx1etyD0g (#2,309,888)

I'd say putting Vito Corleone on posters was an obvious marketing choice. His is an instanlty more interesting and iconic image than Michael's. Also, Brando was a big star, Pacino wasn't. I don't think it counts as who the protagonist is. It's clearly Michael.

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hotpants86 t1_jdaxjq8 wrote

Replying to iamtheju (#2,302,975)

Dude it has nothing to do with winning.

I am a manager and I have support officers. I would be pissed off if I was taken out of the pool of other managers to be compared with for a prize or bonus or award. If someone said to me we'll put you in the support officers pool because you'll win I'd be pissed off.

I don't care if I don't win. I'd like to win but if someone has done more to earn it then so be it. What I do care about is being put forward for something less than I'm currently doing. That's insulting.

I'm not sure why you guys are so hung up about the winning thing, it's about being recognised for what you're doing/have done not about winning a prize.

Edit: looks like the other poster isn't right and agrees with me because he's deleted his comment lol

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Successful-Royal-235 t1_jdb2iwm wrote

After the critics voted Laurence Olivier Best Actor because Brando and Pacino cancelled each other out, the studio made the call that Brando is lead, and Pacino supporting.

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jerebare t1_jdb2ni0 wrote

Replying to Level3Kobold (#2,311,447)

I mostly considered it from what point of the view the story is mostly being told by. Reading the hobbit the protagonist would be Bilbo, but watching the movie versions it does go to Thorin, then Gandalf, Bilbo, Legolas, etc.

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Sixslinger t1_jdb53nw wrote

I read this as "A.I." and it made me do a double take while scrolling by. I... uh need sleep.

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zippypaul t1_jdb699w wrote

I guess they made him an offer he COULD refuse

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iamtheju t1_jdba01k wrote

Replying to hotpants86 (#2,312,127)

I would bet that most of the time if they are spending the large amount not of money it costs to campaign for an Oscar nomination they would want to win.

I'm not saying it's right to be nominated in the lower prestige category than the role you played, I'm just saying it's not uncommon.

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LisaCaserta t1_jdbrpv4 wrote

Replying to VengefulMight (#2,300,939)

Very sad you make fun of a established award winning actor Godfather won 9 Oscars once u get best picture everyone gets the Oscar you the only difference is the cast members has to buy them last time I checked they went for 4k..you kids have no idea how hard it is to work on any film.

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JorgeSeptien t1_jdbxcu6 wrote

That picture is not Al Pacino. That is Egyptian actor Salah Zulfikar.

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