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Shhh! You'll make the conservatives mad, nothing happened in the US before 1970.

The irony here is that then the basis for a lot of the racial covenants such as the original Levitt towns was made by a Jewish American. Then went on to not include them but rather just African Americans and People of Color instead. Talk about moving the needle.

"not unwelcome"....soooo.... welcome?

American still needs this type of book but for everyone who isn't white. Could be a series.

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>American still needs this type of book but for everyone who isn't white. Could be a series.

You're generalizing a little too much.

oK.

Thank you.....

Nah it makes sense to say "not unwelcome" as it infers that the vast majority of places would not welcome Jews or POC.

Thank you. That was exactly my intention.

There’s a lot of room between “we’ll take your money and not hang you” and “welcome!”

Big world out there.

Bet that book got updated as frequently as a college textbook until around 1945

Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha

No.

For LGBTQ people for sure. Especially the T.

But it is infact incorrect. Welcome implies that people would be polite and friendly. I haven't read any if the Jewish version but at least with the green book it was often that they would say basically " these people will allow you to shop there but they won't be nice.

It more was a guide not to get lynched. Not a guide to get great service.

I mean, maybe for trans bathrooms. But other than that not really. I unfortunately had to move to where I am and it was hard-core Klan country for a long time. About as unacepting as you can get in the north. Even here the worst a gay person would get is a talking to about Jesus from some old ladies. Black and brown people would get a lot if stares, but that's about it.

You have to remember these books were to prevent assault and murder. Not to help you avoid being called racial slurs at a small town diner.

I really don’t think that most conservatives think that lol

Really? Golly gee then why are the banning teaching anything from before then? What could the reason be??

If CRT is about bashing America, it's bad.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

It’s not the mirror’s fault if you’re embarrassed by what you see in it.

Conservatives aren't embarrassed by American history. Maybe that's a problem, maybe not.

Restrictive covenants predated Levittowns. That William Levitt did this is hardly representative of the views of Jews, most of whom were subject to restrictive covenants and other forms of racial redlining. In my parents subdivision, all the Jews were restricted to one street. In the 1970s. I though it was wonderful that we had Jewish neighbors when I was a kid. I didn't know that it was the only street in the neighborhood that realtors would show to Jews.

Yes but not by that much the 1920s. And not at the scale which Levittowns enabled. Though it can easily be argued if it wasn't Levitt who did it anyone else could have. What I specifically point to is his removal of the Jewish from the list with his keeping of people of color. Which is unsurprising for the time. Or the passing of the NHA. To blame Levitt for everything would be wrong. What I specifically state is he set the standard and he removed Jewish people from it. But that does not mean it didn't apply everywhere nor that everyone copied exactly what he did one to one. But, when he had a choice, and actively ignored the FHA. He still excluded people of color. As I said. Moving the needle.

Sorry if I sound rude. It's just on this site. Whenever anything about African American's are posted it's done in a way to somehow suggest that the Jewish American basically helped them out of poverty even though at every step in things such as the civil rights movement (which they did not do.), they stepped on them to get out of the way. I hope I don't come off as Anti-Semitic which is not my goal, but rather to point out statements that are false and untrue. Though I do question how these statements were propagated. Especially given that often the sources linked flat out say, it is not true.

Anyways, Redlining has a complicated history, I am not blaming William Levitt or Jewish American's for it all. Just one for moving the needle and trying to stop the spread of misinformation about things that are often posted here that are not true. But well -17 downvotes. Doesn't really look like I've convinced anyone. But, oh well. It's still worth trying.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/28/nyregion/at-50-levittown-contends-with-its-legacy-of-bias.html

But yes I see your point.

>As late as the mid-1960's, Mr. Levitt was still defending segregated housing, at that time in Maryland. And blacks were not the only targets. Although he was the grandson of a rabbi, Mr. Levitt also built housing on Long Island that excluded Jews.

Though this wasn't always the case or the standard. But more over it seems to be an isolated case, if it happened at all. In a way to somehow suggest Levitt wasn't a racist but just doing "business". But his other actions, would seem to suggest otherwise.

If you make the statement that Jewish Americans stepped on African Americans to get them out of the way ... Yes, that's explicitly antisemitic. Collective blame or guilt is always racist, definitionally.

I'm guessing you would be offended deeply if there was some sort of collective guilt assigned to African Americans but you feel free to assign it to Jews. This has led to horrific violence both historically and currently.

Well I guess there's no way to win with someone who will go to any lengths to take anything said out of context.

Levitt set the standard. When given the choice he allowed his own people in and actively discriminated against people of color. What else I am saying is that people on this site like to claim white saviorism fromt he Jewish American population that never happened. You can read even the times of Israel which is a biased source that states. This did not happen. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's going to call me an anti semite for calling out this sort of misinformation and behavior. The harsh reality is that Jewish Americans were just as racist as other Americans. This isn't a collective blame what I wrote is what historians have wrote about the issues and topics at hand. To them black Americans were just another scapegoat. Someone else to blame that isn't them. Keeping their heads low. It's not a pretty thing to admit or say. But it's allegedly what happened. I can't say I blame them or anything but that they should not be trying to represent them as the saviors of African Americans which they are not. Though I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, just misinformation. And anyone could have spread it but coincidentally it's always spread using Albert Einstein to suggest it. But that's also, just a coincidence. I guess more appropriate to call it a myth.

Well it wasn’t a guide to great service- it was a guide to where the could travel safely, or find any service at all. There was and still are a lot of places in the US where being Jewish is dangerous

I mean, kind of? You are comparing apples to ornges. The Greenbook came in a town where black people could easily die just trying to cross a single state. While yes, I am sure there are places where Jewish people may be in danger, it's not like it's a large amount. And there aren't places where people can easily disappear people anymore.