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todd10k t1_ja11tix wrote

OK but it is delicious

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EddieRando21 t1_ja13k3n wrote

"If you can get addicted to it, we can sell the crap out of it" - Phillip Morris.

I'd love to see the ads they could come up with for crack or heroin.

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myusernamehere1 t1_ja1v1g3 wrote

Replying to Stunning_Carpenter68 (#2,015,394)

Really depends on the dosage and purity. If meth/amphetamine were legal, well regulated, with informed users, it would likely be less damaging than alcohol. Obviously people who regularly take very high doses will have health issues, but this can be compared to binge drinking which is also horrible for your health.

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myusernamehere1 t1_ja1x58b wrote

Replying to Analysis-Klutzy (#2,016,364)

Because alcohol is legal meaning that regular law abiding citizens can easily access it. Amphetamine/meth being illegal skews the statistics such that only people willing to break the law can access it, and mentally unhealthy/ill people are more likely to be willing to break the law.

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Sdog1981 t1_ja1y1fw wrote

First of all it has been around since the 1960s and It’s sugar water, it did not take a marketing genius to figure out how to sell that to kids.

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99-bottlesofbeer OP t1_ja1yg3y wrote

Replying to Sdog1981 (#2,016,769)

Oh, sure, Shasta marketed the thing to kids as well – they said as much in newspapers – but Philip Morris specifically wanted the brand because they were just better at this kind of thing. The aesthetic changes they made convinced kids that the drink was cool and convinced adults that the drink was healthy – and it contributed, like most of the things Philip Morris does, to a public health crisis in the U.S. due to its sheer popularity post-sale.

Today, Capri Sun is one of the top 20 most favoured brands by Gen Zers who grew up with the stuff. Top twenty, out of thousands surveyed.

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Djidji5739291 t1_ja2byep wrote

Replying to myusernamehere1 (#2,013,521)

Yeah tobacco and alcohol rank high for the most dangerous drugs just because of how addictive they are and how many people they kill. A lot of people would rank alcohol and tobacco #1 and #2. Alcohol being banned while meth was legal, and alcohol now being advertised to kids while meth is banned but seriously easy to get, it shows that you need to go far beyond prohibiting substances if you actually want to do something about addictions.

Not sure why you‘re being downvoted, I welcome you pointing out that substances killing countless people are still being advertised as harmless and great and I‘m not sure if people are aware that alcohol is killing as many people as it is.

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FatJimmyWillis t1_ja2f5af wrote

It's too bad they never unveiled Joe Capri, a pouch-drink sipping camel, as their mascot.

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Spare-Competition-91 t1_ja2icty wrote

Replying to todd10k (#2,010,727)

It's only delicious until you're 18, start to be an adult, eat and drink things that are way more delicious and don't kill you, or do, and move on with your life and stop being a child with child's taste buds.

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Parafault t1_ja2pumw wrote

I not only used to drink them, but I thought that they were healthy.

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nitzua t1_ja2ra1r wrote

these days they've transitioned to anti vape ads

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pseudocultist t1_ja2thc0 wrote

Replying to gc3 (#2,018,477)

Methamphetamine. We were using amphetamines but "supposedly" not meth. But the Air Force was probably adding meth to the pilots injections. It's mildly contentious.

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HonkinChonk t1_ja2z8a9 wrote

The commercials for Capri sun in the 90s ad 00s were awesome! Turning into cool "water dudes" and doing extreme sports, sign me up!

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Traditional_Entry183 t1_ja2z8uj wrote

As a kid in the 80s, the worst part of Capri Sun was how small they were. Between that and how "thin" the liquid is, they were miserably unsatisfying to me even as a child.

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GoGaslightYerself t1_ja2zucj wrote

I didn't read all 4000 words of the Wikipedia article, but I'm not sure I understand. Is the gist that "Tobacco is bad and was sold through advertising; therefore, anything sold through advertising is also bad"?

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CulturedClub t1_ja31enz wrote

Replying to Elegant_Development3 (#2,019,994)

As a Brit who drank Caprisun I want the non sugar free ones back in the UK. (our government have forced drinks aimed at kids to be sugar free, and 'adult' sugary drinks have a sugar tax). I'm intolerant to artificial sweeteners.

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the_agox t1_ja3c2l1 wrote

Jumping straight to the Wikipedia citation:

> Jacobs 2019a, citing Nguyen et al. 2019: "Internal correspondence showed how tobacco executives, barred from targeting children for cigarette sales, focused their marketing prowess on young people to sell sugary beverages in ways that had not been done before."

> Dyson 2019, citing Nguyen et al. 2019: "Big tobacco companies once used tasty flavors, bright colors and other techniques to lure young smokers. Then they began buying soft drink companies in 1963 and started using the same strategies to sell sodas and other sugary drinks, according to a study published Thursday in the British Medical Journal. ... 'Executives [at R. J. Reynolds and Philip Morris] had developed colors and flavors as additives for cigarettes and used them to build major children's beverage product lines, including Hawaiian Punch, Kool-Aid, Tang and Capri Sun', said [co-author] Schmidt[.] ...'The Wacky Wild Kool-Aid style campaign had tremendous reach and impact', said ... Nguyen[.] '[T]he Kool-Aid kid program was modeled after a tobacco marketing strategy designed to build allegiance with smokers.' ... The tobacco company also purchased Capri Sun and Tang, and used similar child-centric marketing strategies to push sales"

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todd10k t1_ja3ei1b wrote

Replying to Spare-Competition-91 (#2,024,786)

I don't think you are fine. None of this is a flex, btw, but I'm 37, i have kids, a house, a mortgage, a loving girlfriend and 2 cars. I have a full time, 9-5 job and i workout, have good friends and a good life in general. I'm a little overweight but i'm strong, not afraid of a fight and in general what you would consider a "mans man".

I still think capri sun is delicious. Just because it is made for and marketed to children does not mean ones appreciation of sweet things diminishes. It is, objectively, tasty.

I understand that might seem purile or even juvenile, and i get that everyone around you acting like kids might get you down. I understand, it's hard when you're taking care of business, sticking your hands into the muck when those around you lounge about and complain about mucky floors while you're covered in mud, but don't let it get to you. Enjoy the simple things, like a delicious cool icy orange flavoured beverage from a pouch, and don't forget to, once in a while, take a moment for yourself.

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Djidji5739291 t1_ja3gq30 wrote

Replying to jervoise (#2,020,545)

I think that was his point, we gotta stop demonizing drugs and understand what they are and how to stop people from taking them or getting addicted.

There‘s a quote about a government needing to legalize drugs once the effects of banning them become worse than the actual drug. For example punched drugs that will kill people. For example drugs that are mixed so much, they are multiple times more harmful than the drug the consumer was trying to consume. Also criminality around the drug use and possession.

In my city you can legally take heroin and it‘s the most sane thing in the world. You see when your city develops a huge drug problem you either start helping the victims, or you start using force against people that are CLEARLY in need of help and pose no real threat…

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Djidji5739291 t1_ja3h7cm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,022,482)

Yeah thanks for pointing that out. I can‘t imagine someone on cocaine, meth or anything else driving better than a drunk person and I‘ve literally seen people test and confirm your statement. Goes to show how much we underestimate alcohol and think of illegal drugs as the devil.

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Cbanchiere t1_ja3hde3 wrote

Replying to Spare-Competition-91 (#2,024,786)

No. You turned 18 and thought that meant no more fun. No more enjoyment. Give it all up and be an adult

Fuck that. I still browse the toy aisle and enjoy stuff I did as a kid. Life is too short.

Who wants to drink some Mondo with me!?

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atlantis_airlines t1_ja3lwjb wrote

Growing up I always was envious of the kids who's parents packed them lunches containing capri sun, nutella and all the other processed sugar crap kids crave. Looking back it, it is shocking what people pass as food and I am so thankful my parents raised me on a better diet. The generation of children who had candy marketed to them as "part of a well balanced breakfast" has an obesity problem. You can tell just from the phrase alone that they were working out how to avoid culpability.

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Spare-Competition-91 t1_ja3mc9w wrote

Replying to Cbanchiere (#2,026,303)

lol, okay dude. Everyone thinking I'm no longer fun because I don't kill myself with terrible tasting mass produced crap is missing brain cells. Probably from the capri suns they drink.

I've lived more in 10 years than the people downvoting me will during their entire lives. GTFO.

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Tomcatjones t1_ja3yk9d wrote

Replying to myusernamehere1 (#2,016,297)

The problem with the argument is that meth/amphetamines ARE legal and regulated as prescribed. And can be abused of course

Alcohol is just regularly abused.

Both can be very safe in time, setting, and dose

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Macemore t1_ja44y07 wrote

Ahhh fuck I literally have some in my cupboard because I never got to have any as kids

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sharaq t1_ja4jp0u wrote

Replying to myusernamehere1 (#2,016,642)

Stimulants are much more likely to cause psychosis than alcohol is in a much shorter period of time. Within a few weeks of stimulant use, one in a thousand users experience full blown schizophrenia like symptoms. The rate of alcoholic hallucinosis is one in four thousand and only occurs amongst individuals using it for many years; and typically has much milder symptoms typically isolated to visual and tactile stimuli.

The rate of addiction is much lower in alcohol users, at around one in twenty adults. I don't know how many adults try methamphetamine and develop addiction, but colloquially and from my experience with substance abuse programs, the ratio of first use to addiction is much higher by an order of magnitude.

Alcohol is a toxin, yes, but every mammal has evolved to seek out and (within limits) safely metabolize alcohol. Strong stimulants are not something we have evolved alongside. I think there's many safer substances that are unfairly regulated when alcohol gets a pass but methamphetamine simply isn't one.

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Linkthekid22 t1_ja4lrjz wrote

It worked, now my mouth is watering over the thought if a caprisun lemonade

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FriendlyAndHelpfulP t1_ja4theg wrote

Replying to Djidji5739291 (#2,026,197)

>Clearly in need of help and pose no real threat…

…Right until they run out of money. Opiates in particular rise in cost at an exponential rate.

When you’re starting out, a $10 Vicodin pill can be broken up into a week of getting high.

Then you very quickly find yourself needing to rail a $60 Roxy 30 to feel a buzz.

Then you switch to H to save money, and get back down to 2-3 $10 bags a day to stay stable.

Until it doesn’t work anymore, and you start knowingly avoiding H in favor of that fetty, at which point your tolerance goes so fucking high you literally can’t get high on any amount of heroin anymore, and you’re banging $100 worth of fent a day just to stave off the withdrawals that make heroin withdrawal look like a cakewalk.

At which point your only two choices are “get into a detox program that will accept you and go through a literal month+ of hell,” or “start robbing.”

Guess what people tend to choose.

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SagaciousTien t1_ja5clhz wrote

Replying to myusernamehere1 (#2,016,297)

Meth and amphetamines are legal and regulated. They're just controlled substances. You can possess either with a prescription. Desoxyn is the market name for Methamphetamine. It was originally prescribed for severe obesity cases before reaching the ADHD market.

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myusernamehere1 t1_ja5jsed wrote

Replying to Tomcatjones (#2,029,466)

During prohibition, alcohol could be prescribed. This did not stop illegal distilleries from producing alcohol that had unsafe levels of byproducts which caused even worse health effects than alcohol would alone.

I do not see amphetamine/meth being legal to prescribe as an issue with my argument, as we are not talking about medicinal use. They are illegal to use recreationally, unlike alcohol, leading to all sorts of issues.

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myusernamehere1 t1_ja5kqnl wrote

Replying to sharaq (#2,033,212)

This is all due to prohibition of their use, lack of access to information on how to safely use them, and them being illegal skews user statistics towards people who already have mental health issues. In order for stimulants to cause psychosis, someone would have to take very large doses. I am not saying there are no side effects.

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myusernamehere1 t1_ja5l1ll wrote

Replying to Tomcatjones (#2,040,019)

I mean obviously. My point is that legality of recreational use has a lot to due with how something is perceived, the amount of available information for harm reduction, and skews the statistics such that only people willing to break the law will do so.

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myusernamehere1 t1_ja5mepk wrote

Replying to SagaciousTien (#2,040,375)

I dont see your point. Legality of recreational use has a lot to do with access to knowledge on harm reduction, presence of impurities or adulterants, and skews the statistics of users towards those who are already prone to addiction and/or struggling with mental health issues.

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