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Regulai t1_j9okd3l wrote

Reply to comment by radio_allah in TIL Shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu, who started the persecution of Catholics, died in 1616 and for many centuries it was believed to be from over-eating tempura, a dish invented by Catholics during Lent while they were visiting Japan in 1543, which was the same year the Shogun had been born. (Maybe Cancer) by FizzlePopBerryTwist

... The fact that luck exists in history doesnt make it some ubiquitous equal factor... You're basicslly going some luck always exists so luck is irrelevant in ecalutating events.... Which is pure nonsese of a statement to make.

Ieyasu's did just have some luck. He only had luck. Out of all the notable figures (who weren't total idiots) of the era he was the least exceptional, least talented winning in the end because his competion died of old age and not through any real ability on his part. That is notable in terms of luck.

Ishida actually makes for a great contrast because he was a nobody with every disadvantage who only had status at all because of his ability, but it wasnt enough to overcome his extreme disadvantage.

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