V6Ga t1_j7ydctw wrote
Reply to comment by Sololololololol in TIL an abstract painting called "New York City I" has been accidentally displayed upside down since 1980 by Specialist_Check
> I think most art isn’t in the eye of the beholder as far as the artist is concerned at least, which is why most artwork comes with an artist statement.
I'd say most non-representational art is modern, pointing strongly at post-modern. I cannot really imagine a nonrepresentational artist who would not at least entertain the idea of death of the author being a valid talking point.
They certainly accept that there is a level of expertise in criticism, so they would not likely say that any and every person's opinion is of equal value, but I really have trouble imagining a non-representational author denying a suitably prepared viewer to take whatever reaction that viewer has to a piece.
Or in other words I have trouble making sense of a non-representation artist not allowing the beholder to exactly assign beauty, independent of the author/artist's intent.
Sololololololol t1_j7z61vn wrote
So I don’t really think it’s an “either or” kind of thing. Death of the author has its value and in many ways it’s just an inevitability because when you put your artwork out there you have very limited control over how that is seen. But understanding that fact doesn’t change the reality that the artist more likely than not created that work with a specific vision, generally speaking an artist doesn’t make work with a “oh well it means whatever you think it means” as that would be considered an especially lazy approach and would likely be cause for their work to be dismissed.
If you treat death of the author as a sort of inevitable aspect of art it’s a good useful thing to be aware of, but if you treat it as an approach to intentionally advocate for you can start to run into some problems. For example, death of the author came out at around the same time that the wider art world started becoming much more accepting of artists who weren’t strictly white straight males. You had artists from diverse walks of life who hadn’t previously had representation now making art and telling their stories… and being told that “oh well your identity doesn’t matter art should be more just good art” and it was kinda bs.
So you might be thinking “well sure, what about all the artists who make very general abstract work?” And id say it’s no different, you might be surprised to learn that even most abstract artists approach their work with very specific political and social and ideological angles to their work even if it doesn’t seem like it. There are of course exceptions, but it’s still more likely that those abstract artists have a very specific perspective they’re coming from and trying to convey.
V6Ga t1_j80hqqc wrote
> even most abstract artists approach their work with very specific political and social and ideological angles to their work even if it doesn’t seem like it.
Death of the author does not even slightly imply that the author has no agency or purpose. It just means that the author's agency or purpose is not primary or important to anyone but they themselves.
Sololololololol t1_j80j375 wrote
Correct, but the part you quoted doesn’t have anything to do with death of the author, it’s just a more general statement about abstract art.
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