Submitted by Derpguycool t3_116vebf in tifu
_Kokiru_ t1_j99feg8 wrote
Reply to comment by Derpguycool in TIFU by fighting two guys over a car that isn't even mine. by Derpguycool
Only thing “wrong” done was not recording it for the police, and not dialing 911. Also, buy a gun man, you did the right thing to place someone else first. Well done!
niels1232 t1_j99u1hq wrote
That's the most American thing I've heard this week.
niels1232 t1_j99u2hp wrote
Meaning the gun part that is.
_Kokiru_ t1_j9arka5 wrote
Well an itty bitty knife ain’t going to get you an upper hand, especially since most people have a knife on them (especially if you’re the “bad guy”. And in a 2v1 situation whee you’re out bulked, out numbered, and out tooled is never where you want to be. If he had done this at night, or in any other location, he very well may be dead if no one was around to help.
Vincent_VanAdultman t1_j9huh9y wrote
And if he'd had a gun the chances of someone ending up dead are astronomically higher, instead of a broken finger.
Great advice /s
_Kokiru_ t1_j9i04rp wrote
Oh noooo. The criminals contributing nothing to society and may have already killed in the past got killed for doing something illegal/attacking someone. What are we going to dooooo?
I don’t care if you die for attacking someone else, especially if they’re there to protect against the illegal activity you are doing.
ChainmailleAddict t1_j9acj5o wrote
Honestly the situation would've been way easier to resolve with some pepper spray imo.
_Kokiru_ t1_j9arwsy wrote
Pepper spray doesn’t do anything, a gun gets people off of you, of course you don’t fire unless it escalates and your life is at risk. It’s merely there as a deterrent. Imagine the situation at any other time, and perhaps a different location. He could have been dead man.
ChainmailleAddict t1_j9av8c2 wrote
Pepper spray doesn't do anything? Really? Maybe if they're on cocaine! I promise unarmed car thieves don't have the fight in them. You don't take out a gun unless you're willing to use it, and so many things could go wrong once you show you're willing to kill them. The best case scenario for everyone is that they stop breaking into the car and go to jail. Non-lethal is the way to go.
_Kokiru_ t1_j9b0imv wrote
A gun is non-lethal. You aim it and tell them verbally to get away, or on the ground, etc etc. if you aren’t willing to kill when necessary, than you don’t value your life at all, nor the lives of others. This man would be dead in any other situation, but with a gun? At least you can shoot towards em and run, it’s a deterrent, and a weapon, not just a deterrent.
(Also “maybe in on cocaine” you don’t know if any of these guys were past military members, officers, etc etc, who have trained to be able to still preform with your “deterrent”. Don’t place your life in the enemies hands, take it and guard it yourself in situations like these.)
ChainmailleAddict t1_j9b1f5e wrote
" if you aren’t willing to kill when necessary, than you don’t value your life at all, nor the lives of others. "
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that a gun needlessly escalates a situation. What happens if they charge you thinking they're going to die? It was a freaking parking lot with people in it, it's not like it was a back alley where he'd never have been discovered. Even if you DO shoot them, congrats, they didn't have to die and they'd have never been thinking life or death without that gun there in the first place.
My argument is simply that having something like pepper spray will create better outcomes in this particular situation than a gun.
_Kokiru_ t1_j9b1x8u wrote
Or it would tick off the bear, especially since there are two of them to worry about. These guys were already angry and unreasonable, no criminal is going to rob a car for their life, and these folks don’t seem high, you and I both know he wouldn’t have been beaten up if he had drawn a weapon. I put those words in your mouth, because that’s what your actions in regards to the situation state. Weapons only escalate an already escalated situation. Ie a shoot out. In such a case you run away if given the chance.
(You do also know that shooting someone doesn’t kill them right? That’s why you train with your gun, so you know when to take a life, and when to protect one even if they don’t see it as that.)
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