FlowerInYourCasket t1_j9qw09t wrote
Reply to comment by RongoNZ in TIFU because i (M15) scratched a classmate off mine with my nails as a self defense mechanism by [deleted]
The way they’re so casually talking about screaming in class is so odd. But it’s Reddit and everyone is autistic on here.
jaweebamonkey t1_j9r7pa7 wrote
As an autistic person, it’s actually not odd at all. Most people are used to seeing “Asperger’s” type autism so they don’t realize. It’s called vocal stereotypy or vocal stimming. Some people hum, some people yell, etc, like my nonverbal autistic child.
I don’t know this situation, but I do know that I won’t ever stop my kid from making vocal noises just because people look at them oddly. If they’re disturbing others to the point of being a nuisance, we leave. However, I will never train my child to stop stimming. It’s necessary for our emotional regulation, which I know from experience. I just happen to stim physically instead of vocally. So long as they’re not purposely being a nuisance, it’s absolutely acceptable. Sometimes it’s not a choice.
RongoNZ t1_j9skfek wrote
While I commend you for an heroic approach I am pointing out here that OP (and possibly OPs parents) have made a clear mistake. There is no way any child should be physically attacked in class for expressing their own frustrations at a clearly frustrating environment.
If OP cant control their audible outbursts then it is necessary to move OP (and maybe some of the other noisy students) to something similar to a "high tempo" style class.
jaweebamonkey t1_j9t7qqj wrote
This is a real life medical issue. I was quite clear that I was discussing the vocal stereotypy, not injurious behavior, which is never acceptable. Downvoting me doesn’t change science, I’m sorry.
RongoNZ t1_j9te898 wrote
The vocalizing is the root of the problem. Science is on my side of this discussion. Sorry.
jaweebamonkey t1_j9wmtjo wrote
Oh, so you know science AND autism! Please elaborate
RongoNZ t1_j9x93rp wrote
My bachelor of Science in Psychology, focused on adolescent development.
jaweebamonkey t1_j9ys3kf wrote
Funny! I’m two classes short of that exact degree, and autism has not been discussed. Is that in abnormal psych? Let me know.
In fact, to work in a medical manner with autistic children requires a master’s degree. Even then, short of a brilliant neuropsychologist I work with, none of them really understand autism aside from its basic ideas, which you don’t even seem to grasp since you think vocal outbursts are always considered maladaptive behavior. To anyone like me who knows what they’re talking about, you sound ridiculous.
Please continue. I’m really entertained now. I want to hear about how this child’s vocal stereotypy is more dangerous than his physical harm of others. That makes no sense and they don’t relate to the other aside from motivation, at best. But I’m happy to hear what you have to say.
RongoNZ t1_j9yv2hj wrote
I did a post grad diploma on issues like Fetal alcohol syndrome, autism, adhd, addiction and maladaptive developmental environments. Started a masters on the protective factors the help people avoid recidivism leaving prison but never finished as I changed countries during that time. In my new country I worked with youths at a youth protection foundation and then moved into schools working as a special needs teacher for students with learning difficulties in a regular school environment.
So I didn't need my masters in the end.
What you really really need to do is stop assuming you know everything when you are relying upon your own anecdotes and go out and get some experience.
Any learning difficulty that disrupts a learning environment MUST be addressed
jaweebamonkey t1_j9ywvnl wrote
Not once have you answered the question. You just keep talking about your education and proving my point. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and refuse to admit it.
I learned about many psychological disorders as well. As in, they’re mentioned in a single chapter on maybe a page or two. That’s your knowledge of autism. You’re talking to someone who has generations of family with autism, so aside from my degree, which taught me nothing about it, I have decades of experience you can’t learn in school. In addition, I’ve worked closely with people who only work with children with autism (like my NV child) and I’ve had to study the subject at length in private. Also, I am autistic. So please keep lecturing me about your education when I’m trying to ask you
For the THIRD time: where is the science that says vocal stereotypy is harmful? It’s nowhere, because it isn’t. It essentially means to babble. So you’re saying babbling is worse than physical harm. So again, please explain why you think chatter is worse than physical violence. I’ve got your credentials. Back up your “sCiEnCe”
RongoNZ t1_j9yxjug wrote
Do you know what anecdote means?
jaweebamonkey t1_j9zin64 wrote
Do you know what “desperately clinging to unrelated tangential subjects” means?
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