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ElwoodJD t1_j6o5wry wrote

It’s also stupid because as a viewer you still experience the gray area. My wife who never played the game (I have) says she doesn’t like Joel. She feels bad he lost his daughter and understands how that made him cynical, but she thinks he’s a selfish dick who hasn’t learned to make peace with his past. Which is accurate so far and belies any attempt to say they have glossed over Joel’s bad choices and outlook.

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taintpaint t1_j6owhzw wrote

Ha I was gonna say the exact same thing. My wife keeps saying "god damn Joel is cold" and every time I think that's the show succeeding.

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