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SortOfHorrific t1_j43cwq2 wrote

Reply to comment by stumpcity in FX's ‘Alien’ Series Gearing Up For Production This Year; Noah Hawley Will Start Production After Finishing 'Fargo' Season 5 by SanderSo47

Since 2012, Prometheus was pretty entertaining. Can’t say the same for Covenant, though.

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dawn_chorus__ t1_j43ve1l wrote

Am I alone in wanting a conclusion to David's story, even though Prometheus and Covenant had problems? I hope Scott finishes the trilogy.

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stumpcity t1_j4454sv wrote

I would watch it, but I also feel like at this point, you can kinda fill in the blanks yourself, which I'd imagine would turn the movie into kind of a box-ticking exercise focused on plot:

  1. David invents the Queen (probably experiments on himself to become some weird hybrid Engineer/Android thing)

  2. Walter catches up with David

  3. Walter tries to stop David from destroying Earth

  4. Ship crashes on LV-426 in a spectacularly weird fashion

  5. Alien.

Now, does the idea of a mad scientist movie starring JUST Michael Fassbender in space sound like something worth watching? Absolutely. And it'd probably give Ridley a lot of time to put a lot of his (close approximation to) philosophizing into the movie (basically the best parts of Covenant, really) so it wouldn't just be plotty plot plot. But I don't know that there's going to be a lot to it beyond that. Or that he wouldn't fuck up the execution even if he DID have a lot more to it beyond that initially (see: Prometheus).

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IrrelevantLeprechaun t1_j45qn3g wrote

I frankly hate the concept that the aliens AND the alien queen are all a simple invention by a human-made android. It completely cheapens the mystique of the Alien itself by turning it into yet another "folly of man" story.

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Fgge t1_j47n6j6 wrote

The obsession with explaining every detail has really dragged the franchise down. Same as the Space Jockey.

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Breezyisthewind t1_j4727q6 wrote

No it doesn’t. It makes it cooler.

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ConstantaByTheSea t1_j473jzx wrote

Agreed, I love the Prometheus and Covenant movies, and Scott does amazing work building up that world. I want to know more about the engineers and see David's story concluded. The aliens imho are not really that interesting to see over and over again. I get it, they're scary monsters, ooo, as if it hasn't been done to death a million times. I want to see people take risks and the stage-play vibes of these two films works great!

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dawn_chorus__ t1_j45o6t5 wrote

Doesn't Scott also have to explain the distress signal in Alien?

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sweetpeapickle t1_j47kmfv wrote

No, I am with you. Plus I liked the two movies. We're they the best thing ever, no.

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LatterTarget7 t1_j46onx4 wrote

I also want a conclusion just to see how it ends. Cause I’m not sure how you can make the jump from the eggs and fully formed baby aliens to the eggs in the original with the chest bursters. It’ll have to be a pretty long movie to fill in the evolution

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IrrelevantLeprechaun t1_j48g9g0 wrote

If it's anything like Covenant, they'll probably just say "David spent a lot of time experimenting on cryo-sleeping colonists until he got a batch that's just like the original Alien."

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stumpcity t1_j43dyk8 wrote

Covenant is a better movie than Prometheus is. Or at least it's more consistent at being what it's trying to be. Prometheus literally doesn't know what it wants to be and halfway through becomes a half-assed Blade Runner movie instead of an Alien one.

Covenant knows what it wants to be from jump and sticks to that pretty solidly. Prometheus is just a confused, frustrating mess (which makes sense once you watch the making-of documentary on the blu-ray).

I wouldn't say either of them are as good as the Alien 3 "assembly cut," which isn't a GREAT movie by any stretch, but is at least - fundamentally broken as it is, even in its best version - better at being a thematic closer to Ellen Ripley's story than either Prometheus or Covenant are at being chapters in the birth of the Alien.

edit: what in the world about those 3 paragraphs is setting people off. Jesus Christ.

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tehkory t1_j43scbd wrote

You said nice things about Prometheus; people who hate Prometheus hate that.

You said nice things about Covenant; people who hate Covenant hate that.

You said nice things about Alien3; people who hate Alien3 hate that.

Then you edited; people who hate edits about downvotes hate that.

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stumpcity t1_j43tql0 wrote

So what you're saying is I'm right and people hate that.

I should be used to this by now.

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Asiriya t1_j44ea63 wrote

I don’t see how Covenant knows what it wants to be. It goes from philosophising in the opening establishing the same tone as Prometheus to a really dumb slasher, interlaced with moments of Prometheus-like intrigue where it can’t help but fill in the blanks between the films (and that stuff being far more interesting than the slasher the film actually is). Then it’s never sure if it wants to be an alien film or an android film - I don’t think it’s nearly as deft as the original was at juggling both.

I know the Prometheus script had a dozen hands on it but what happened during production, I’ve never seen the BTS you mentioned.

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stumpcity t1_j44jjn2 wrote

Ridley Scott basically got wine drunk every day and messed up whatever was working that day

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sweetpeapickle t1_j47l2eb wrote

You did not mention Jesus Christ before, so I don't think he has anything to do with setting people off.

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VeteranSergeant t1_j4853oa wrote

> Covenant is a better movie than Prometheus is

This sounds like a gingivitis vs lip cancer argument. I'd rather just not have either.

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Bushgjl t1_j43rzi3 wrote

I really liked the first 1/3 of Covenant, it felt "Alien" but afterwards falls apart into a convoluted mess with so many different things happening at once.

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Fleadip t1_j44ph24 wrote

I also enjoyed Prometheus.

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zornyan t1_j47389p wrote

I enjoyed them all, I mean I can appreciate the newer ones weren’t as good, maybe I’m a bit too forgiving since I absolutely love the world and alien story, I grew up watching the films, reading comics and playing the games (avp was amazing on pc) and just really enjoy any content that helps fill in the history/lore and has some cool as xenonorphs in it!

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