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lucyvgu t1_j3l3076 wrote
If you haven't watched the whole season, how do you know? You're of course entitled to your opinion, but you called it a teen drama plot ("This subplot reminded me of those YA stories in which the nice girl falls in love with the bad boy who mistreats or hurts but still falls in with him because she is some sort of Masochist") and you don't even know how they got there.
Maybe you would have the same opinion if you had watched it, but I don't really know what to tell you, you just hate the concept, but it's hard to have a conversation about it since you skipped all the parts other people liked.
megamindwriter t1_j3l45qq wrote
If you actually read my post, I enjoyed S1. Watched all the episodes attentively. Watched the first half of S2 attentively, until it started to irritate me, and I fast-forwarded just to get to the ending.
It's not even the fact that they made Catherine start falling for Peter because he was giving her blowjobs or doing the bare minimum to be a better person, is the fact that after fucking her mother and killing her. She still cries and professes deep love for him.
She sums it up nicely in the final episode. That love or marriage is about facing problems and working through them, but that the love has limits. Even Peter agreed.
It's the fact that Peter reached that limit and she still professed deep love for him and still cried over his "corpse" as if he also didn't kill Leo.
Catherine is portrayed as this progressive idealist. That whole fiasco turned her into women in the old days who stay with their husbands due to love or duty despite the harm the husband is inflicting upon them.
lucyvgu t1_j3l7cf1 wrote
I did read your post, you said you skipped parts of season 2, so I stand by what I said.
You clearly hate the concept of them together, and it's fine. But since you hate the concept and haven't actually watched the whole story, I don't really know what you expect people to tell you. I feel like you just want people to agree with you, and that's why you're getting so defensive.
I understand what you're saying about them, but it's a surreal, over-the-top, insane story, so I'm fine with them being together when it wouldn't make sense in the real world, I don't try to apply real life values to fictional stories (especially over-the-top ones like TG), I just enjoy the ride because I think that Catherine and Peter together were hilarious.
Again, it's all right to just hate the idea of them being together and to stop watching if you don't like it, but I don't really know what you want people to tell you.
megamindwriter t1_j3l8l4e wrote
"You didn't watch the whole thing, so how can you criticize it." Is really not a valid point to disregard someone's opinion. The fact that I stopped half way through shows it took a dive in terms of quality.
I'm not here to get people to agree with me, I'm just sharing my opinion so people who haven't watched, don't have a false impression of what they are getting before going in.
It's really not about real life values. It's about it making sense in it's portrayal and messaging. They portrayed Catherine as this progressive idealist who wants to empower women. Only for them to employ some cliche "naive girl falls in love with evil guy" trope that is present in a lot of YA books.
If you think I'm posting this for people's approval. You are sadly mistaken.
lucyvgu t1_j3lahph wrote
You expect this show to portray a message of progressiveness, I think it's just a bit of fun nonsense, I don't care about its message like I don't care about historical accuracy.
> "You didn't watch the whole thing, so how can you criticize it."
I never said it. I explicitly said that it's okay to just hate the idea of them and to stop watching because of it, but it means you don't have the full knowledge of how the show handled their relationship. It's all right, but you are getting very defensive and there's no point in continuing this conversation.
pearlsandplumes t1_j3o49y5 wrote
>The one thing that ruined from S2 that made me become completely disappointed and ruin my love for it, was Catherine's sudden love for Peter.
She fell for his magic tongue, it happens all the time. Especially in Imperial Russia where there's fuck all to do.
lundman t1_j3knx3t wrote
yep, we didn't even finish S02 - quite gutting.
That-Soup3492 t1_j3l7axc wrote
... Joanna seduced Peter and then fell out a window.
And just to be clear, the show is a black comedy. It has romantic and tragic elements in order to underline the dark humor. It's not meant to be taken seriously as a romance, any more than it's meant to be taken seriously as historical.