Morganguy t1_j27rlmv wrote on December 30, 2022 at 6:35 AM

I personally think it went down hill after Marissa died. But those first couple seasons were amazing. I was in 9th grade when it first came out I have so many memories of Thursday nights with my high school gf and I watching it. I still hate Oliver to this day, I think he’s the reason Ryan and Marissa never made it. Haha

teddyburges t1_j2813ha wrote on December 30, 2022 at 8:31 AM

The entire of season 3 was a trainwreck that you can thank the network for. They were the ones that forced the writers to dial up the drama. They forced them to make Johnny a regular and keep ratcheting up the drama on that one. They turned the Kirsten rehab storyline in to a thriller plot by forcing the writers in to adding that friend that's trying to steel her money (the network felt that audiences wouldn't be interested if it was a simple alcohol addiction plot).

sgthombre t1_j28wm7w wrote on December 30, 2022 at 2:29 PM

> They forced them to make Johnny a regular

Literally one of the least interesting characters in the history of television.

Dude needs knee surgery and rather than accept a check from his rich friends to pay for it he fucking buys a gun to rob a liquor store. Holy shit, just the worst.

teddyburges t1_j28xrv8 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 2:38 PM

100% agree. It was like a network executive had been watching a episode of 24 and thought the Kim storylines were amazing and was like "wow, this is amazing writing!. She's getting attacked by stalkers, rapists and murderous baby sitters, cougars, all in the span of 24 for hours. How can we bottle that and make a character like that storyline?" and a writer went away and created Johnny based on their feedback.

Shoot_from_the_Quip t1_j27x26f wrote on December 30, 2022 at 7:40 AM

Mischa was such a fucking train wreck of a human. They really had no choice but to kill her off.