andor is one of the first shows in a while,with a nearly perfect season

Submitted by ButtPlugForPM t3_z4fjen in television

The writing is brilliant,it's not contrived,and actually treats fans of the series like adults.

No stupid fan lore gimme moment's like in Obi wan.

stunning cinematography

Almost no Filler moment's unlike half of the last mando season,every episode has a point to the buildup in the last episode and a purpose for it's existence,jesus that's a breath to see in tv writing

It might go down as the years best new show i think,and they stuck the landing

I can see why they need to take an entire year to film a season,but god damn waiting till 2024 is going to suck.

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rocker2014 t1_ixqqd38 wrote

Atlanta, Barry, The Bear, Better Call Saul, Better Things, Dopesick, House of the Dragon, The Old Man, Reservation Dogs, We Own This City, etc. There was a lot of great seasons of TV this year. Andor deserves to be on this list, but I don't even think it's near the top of it for me.

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Vishion-8 t1_ixqznfl wrote

Severance as well

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rocker2014 t1_ixqzzxv wrote

I haven't watched it. I know there are more than what I posted, but these are of the ones that I've seen.

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ClassicExit t1_ixvgxfh wrote

I thought Severance was OK. Watchable enough but they announced that season 2 was cancelled, I don't think I'd notice it was gone.

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yodimboi t1_ixujuvl wrote

Kinds of unfair to include mini series as they are complete stories. The first season of a show that establishes and sets up everything that will follow is a very different thing from a mini series.

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rocker2014 t1_ixuo4km wrote

Well, for one, Andor is planned for a two season run, so it basically is a mini series and has shown us half of the story. And it's a prequel to a movie with the same characters so we already know what it's setting up and how it ends for the most part. But also, a miniseries has to do the same thing as a first season of a running series by setting everything up but it also has the difficulty of having to wrap it up well too. So I think it's absolutely fair to include them because it has a more difficult task than a first season of a running show. If anything, first seasons of a running show shouldn't be judged yet as they could go downhill in future seasons. But I don't really agree with that either. We're judging single seasons of TV that aired this year.

Plus, there are only two miniseries that I listed here. That's still 8 other shows that I considered better or on the level with Andor. That doesn't even include the list that were still very good but not on this level.

OP said that Andor was one of the first shows with a nearly perfect season in a while. They didn't say nearly perfect first season for a running series. That welcomed the comparison. Especially because to me, their whole thread was a lot of hyperbole. That's why I wanted to mention these 10 shows that aired this year because Andor certainly was not the only show that provided a quality season this year, let alone years past. It may seem that way if you've not watched anything else this year. Plus, I disagree that the show had no filler, but i'm not going to get into all that.

It doesn't matter if it's a first season, a last season, a middle season, or a miniseries. A quality season of a TV show should tell a story that's somewhat complete. Even a show that ends on a cliffhanger still has an ending to an arc. And even to your point, I do personally think the three other first seasons of new running series that I listed were better.

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yodimboi t1_ixuraly wrote

Andor is by no means a miniseries. A miniseries is one season long. Anything else is just a series. Also, saying "first season" implies that there is a second or that at least there was supposed to be a second. If I finish first in a race with no other participants did I even finish first? If I asked what are the best first movies, would you reply with Citizen Kane or with The Godfather? The Godfather is the first in a series. I guess you could say Citizen Kane is a debut but that's a different case.

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rocker2014 t1_ixuttn5 wrote

Besides the fact that you ignored the entirety of my post to focus on one small point I was trying to make, I'll still respond to your whole comment.

>Andor is by no means a miniseries. A miniseries is one season long. Anything else is just a series.

The point I was trying to make is that this is a short series with an expiration date already listed. We know it's not going to be a long running series so we know that what we've seen is already half of the entire show. And, we know that it's a prequel to a movie that shows us how everything shakes out. So we have half the series plus the ending. Making it similar to a miniseries that has to show us the beginnings and end. I know a miniseries is one season. I was just making a comparison that Andor is not dissimilar from what a miniseries has to portray therefore can be compared.

>Also, saying "first season" implies that there is a second or that at least there was supposed to be a second.

First off, the OP didn't say first season, I did. You mentioned that a miniseries shouldn't be comparable to a first season of a new show. I made points of how it can be but also stated that regardless of pulling out the two miniseries I listed, that still leaves 8 others that I mentioned.

>If I finish first in a race with no other participants did I even finish first?

I'm not even sure what your analogy means? I'm guessing you mean a miniseries is the participant and since there is only one season there are no other partipants? But we're not comparing a Season 1 to a Season 2 of the same show. So if "We Own This City" and "Dopesick" are the partipants in this conversation, then yes, one of them could win. Or better yet, if "Dopesick" and "Andor" were participants, "Dopesick" would win for me. Or even better yet, if "House of the Dragon", another first season of a new running series, and "Andor" were the participants, "House of the Dragon" wins for me.

>If I asked what are the best first movies, would you reply with Citizen Kane or with The Godfather? The Godfather is the first in a series. I guess you could say Citizen Kane is a debut but that's a different case.

Again, the OP didn't say that it was the best first season of a show in awhile. In which, I'd still disagree. But to your point, are you now saying that The Godfather and Citizen Cane cannot be compared? Or a more logical one, can The Godfather and Goodfellas not be compared because The Godfather is one part of a trilogy? Speaking of Trilogies, can one Star Wars movie not be compared with any other movie because it's part of a series? If you think so, I disagree. Because each of these movies tell a story. They also set up for a future story, but each of them tells its own complete story. So does Andor. So does Dopesick.

But regardless of all of this rambling over one small part of my whole point, take out the two miniseries I listed for sake of argument. I still listed 8 other shows that I believe were better or on the same level as Andor. My point doesn't need the miniseries that I listed. But I do think they are absolutely fair to compare because each tells a story.

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kev0ut t1_ixqpnd5 wrote

My favorite part of the season finale was how maybe now the daily Andor threads will stop.

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Jackattack736 t1_ixqq8zq wrote

Oh no, people make posts about a current tv show in the television subreddit, truly a crime!

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Roook36 t1_ixvmrso wrote

r/television has devolved into just two types of posts

  1. Posts made by redditors to praise a show they like so that other redditors can come in and tell them how wrong they are and to shut up

  2. News articles posted from sites that report on movies and tv shows, which are just flooded with comments about "ads" "bots" "Shills" "disney checks" "it's about ethics in journalism" stuff.

The recommendation topic pinned to the top is the only reason to bother to come in here anymore sadly

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theummeower t1_ixqvdv7 wrote

It’s called astroturfing. Posts that look like they’re made by actual users but they’re really just advertisements.

The same thing happened with Arcane

This sub was crazily flooded during the latest season of Ted Lasso.

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DarthMosasaur t1_ixqlvyi wrote

Only strike against it for me was in the last episode where someone butted a stormtrooper's helmet with their head and the stormtrooper fell down.

Other than that, perfect.

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Roook36 t1_ixvmjuo wrote

That felt right out of Obi-Wan. or Return of the Jedi with the ewoks taking them out with rocks and sticks I guess. Stuck out like a sore thumb due to how much work they've done to make the Empire look scary and not like something a bunch of kids with ropes could take down.

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ButtPlugForPM OP t1_ixqngvj wrote

i was actually impressed the ST actually could shoot.

But really,theres what 80 of them 300,000 Ferrix citizens they are gonna get ripped apart

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elxjai t1_ixs5aea wrote

Eh it's ok. Severance, House of Dragon and The Bear CLEARED.

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javelinnl t1_ixr19su wrote

It starts out too slow without an immediately gripping hook. This show is quite possibly my favorite bit of Star Wars media, even outranking Empire or the Thrawn trilogy, but I tried showing Andor to someone else and they lost interest before the plot even started to get going, just because of those first three episodes.

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ChangeUpstairs3352 t1_ixqjlgb wrote

I wouldn't say it's perfect but it is almost. It's up there with the best debut shows of this year with Severance & The Bear.

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ButtPlugForPM OP t1_ixqkpdy wrote

I mean none of the episodes wasted their time

Every act had a purpose

Possibly the only wasted time in the show is the one with them at that doctors hut,it was rather pointless scene other than to show cassians character

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anasui1 t1_ixr5zfs wrote

agreed, if I had to describe it with two words: ironclad resolve. Gilroy's vision stays firmly set until the very last second; show never, ever gets a single bit out of place. It's almost miraculous in this age of half assed shows and single ideas stretched through entire seasons. Please make this man lord of showrunners at whatever company he works next, the tv landscape needs him

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reddig33 t1_ixrenmg wrote

Honestly it felt like we got two seasons packed into one. I’m surprised Disney didn’t split it at the episode where Cassian goes on holiday, and make us wait until 2023 to watch those episodes. Glad they didn’t tho.

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eerok79 t1_ixqk55p wrote

Surely it's the best tv show ever.

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ButtPlugForPM OP t1_ixqklfm wrote

I mean it's not the wire..

But hands down possibly the years or even last few years shows

It's really subverted my expectations,you expect some shit star wars show about some character from one of the spin off films

You instead get a massive spy thriller,that's got some breaking bad level writing

Really puts most of the other shows to shame from this year

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