Submitted by Frank3634 t3_z1f302 in television
What happened with the deal? We know D+ has the rights to the new series in 2023+, but will HBO MAX still have rights to series 14 after it airs? Another thing MAX just had rights til series 14, but no mention of 2023 specials, would they also get these episodes?
By upcoming you mean the specials? As the deal was for 14 unless the specials were added.
I assumed it was for the next season
You mean for MAX right? You are saying MAX has next season (which is 2023 specials). Yeah that is the thing it was til season 14 and next season is not series 14, but the specials. So does MAX have these specials as it wasn't it in the deal originally?
No they don't the Disney+ deal specifically states that the 60th anniversary and beyond will air on D+, HBO max only has access to past seasons until their licence expires.
Unless HBO Max’s rights were bought it should still have season 14 if that’s what it is supposed to have.
The Disney deal is replacing first run rights so BBC America loses that and HBO Max should still get it after the season is over.
Season 13 is the most recent season (the 6 episodes in the "Flux" arc), and for HBO Max purposed it includes the post-Flux specials Eve Of The Daleks and then Legend Of The Sea Devils. For me (I'm in the USA), those can be watched right now.
"Season 13" ought to include The Power Of The Doctor, the special which recently aired, and which finished with the Doctor's new regeneration...but only after a reasonable period has passed after its broadcast. But that ought to go onto HBO Max.
In November 2023 (a year from now) there will be 3 specials to celebrate the show's 60th anniversary. THOSE ought to be the first ones which begin streaming on Disney+, rather than HBO Max.
AFTER that, in 2024, we ought to get the new 14th Season of the show, with the new Doctor played by Ncuti Gatwa (with his new companion, Ruby Sunday, played by Millie Gibson). That will be on Disney+ for sure.
I don't expect ANY of the Doctor Who material on Disney+ to also be available on HBO Max. And, as soon as the current contract with BBC and Warner/Discovery (which owns HBO) expires, I expect that all the "NuWho" (Doctor Who from 2005 onward) to move off of HBO Max and onto Disney+.
Why? If the specials are pre-series 14. MAX has til series 14 and the specials are before. The contract was til series 14, did D+ buy them out? There was never any news of that.
Everything that you said I had already known. MAX should have everything til series 14 which includes the 2023 specials.
ALL that I can do in response is point you toward the official BBC press release about it, which includes the following language:
> LONDON, UK (Oct. 25, 2022) – Today the BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
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> Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland. The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
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> Both partners have aligned under returning showrunner Russell T Davies' bold vision, who takes control of the TARDIS in 2023. He was responsible for Doctor Who's revival in 2005 and is credited with propelling the show into one of TV's biggest hits.
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> The new episodes will premiere on the BBC and Disney+ beginning in late 2023 for fans all over the world.
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> The show will be produced in Wales by Bad Wolf with BBC Studios Production.
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> ...Notes to Editors:
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> The new episodes of Doctor Who will return to screens in November 2023 to coincide with the 60th anniversary and will premiere exclusively on the BBC for the UK and Ireland. David Tennant will play the Fourteenth Doctor for three specials, before Ncuti Gatwa takes over the role as the Fifteenth Doctor over the festive season.
Key takeaways here:
MEANWHILE, the original BBC press release about HBO Max and Doctor Who from August 1, 2019 (before HBO Max launched) only talks about Seasons 1-11, and a vague statement about "future seasons" that only specifically mentions Season 12.
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> MAX should have everything til series 14 which includes the 2023 specials.
I've been a professional entertainment writer for the last 15 years, and have grown up being a Doctor Who fans (so always kept an eye out for anything about that). I won't claim to be fanatical about it, but on the other hand if I had seen something claiming that HBO Max had rights through S14, I think I'd remember that. But no, I can't say I ever saw any entity (BBC, HBO, Warner, industry periodicals like Variety, etc.) post anything - credible or otherwise - claiming that DW S14 was specifically going to be found at HBO Max. Do YOU have a link to something which states that's the case?
EDIT: this wording of yours keeps coming back to me:
> MAX has til series 14 and the specials are before. The contract was til series 14
According to who? Where did you get that information?
EDIT 2: okay, I've searched around a bit. There was never any press release to this effect. Back on October 29, 2019, Warner held a "WarnerMedia Day" event to announce the launch of the HBO Max service for the following May 2020. All the details of the "10,000+ hours of programming" were gone over during that time. There was never anything printed (as in, a press release) which stated about "3 more seasons of Doctor Who," but during the part of the event which covered BBC shows on HBO Max, they led with DW and showed artwork for all 11 then-current seasons. The announcement which was casually made on the stage was that they had "locked in for 3 more seasons." Observers of that event reported it as tweets, or else on their websites. But we're talking smaller, less-well-known websites like "broaDWcast.org" and "comicon.com". I can't find evidence that this was even reported at well-known and globally popular DW fans sites such as DoctorWhoNews.net!
SO, WHAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN? The pandemic. Any plans to have all three seasons done in time for 2022 went out the window when COVID-19 hit. It's honestly amazing that they had two more seasons done so far (even if one of them was only a half-dozen episodes). I could compare this to the plans Chef Gordon Ramsay had for opening restaurants in the USA: in June 2019 he struck a deal with a private equity firm, Lion Capital, to form the entity called Gordon Ramsay North America, and open 100 restaurants across the United State by the end of 2024. After the Covid pandemic shut down restaurants and curbed building of new ones, the deal was officially revised to "75 total new restaurants in the USA between 2022 and 2026." He's only up to 19 so far, and that's after the Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips shop opens in Time Square, NYC, either this coming weekend or next. Lots of shit changed thanks to the coronavirus! I'm sure the Doctor Who deal on HBO Max was affected in a similar way. And if that deal wasn't in a press release or reported on in a high-handed manner, then there were probably tons of contingencies in that deal ("assuming all three seasons get made by this date"; "assuming the show gets renewed for those seasons"; "assuming Jodie and Chibnall are still part of the show for those seasons"; etc.). If those contingencies changed, then the deal changed.
So I think that's your answer, mate. :)
By past you mean S13 and the 3 specials, right?
I suggest you read this: https://nerdist.com/article/doctor-who-streaming-hbo-max-exclusively/
Again a lot of info, but not much said, mate.
>The announcement which was casually made on the stage was that they had "locked in for 3 more seasons."
You even said it yourself. All that and I am still right.
What I was asking and with those long answers you never answered what happened to MAX's deal with seasons til series 14?
2022? Where did you get this?
Still not the answer I was looking for, mate.
>The next three seasons of the popular sci-fi show will also be available exclusively on HBO Max after they air on BBC America.
https://nerdist.com/article/doctor-who-streaming-hbo-max-exclusively/
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>the event also yielded an unexpected boon for Doctor Who fans: two additional seasons of the program beyond 2020. As part of the BBC’s deal with HBO Max to stream its content in the US, the service will make 11 seasons of the revived will be available at launch with “an additional three seasons to come.” Now, one of these seasons will be the one already produced and due to air sometime in 2020.
Beyond 2020 no mention of contingencies or done by 2022. Just 3 seasons while on MAX on one season already airing the following year of the article which was series 12.
As I said elsewhere, plans changed due to COVID. I suggest you read these:
Between the pandemic delays, and the decision by Chibnall and Whittaker to make a pact that both would leave after S13 (necessitating a pause in production while the BBC searched for a new showrunner and new cast), the clock ran out on the HBO Max license.
Those licenses are based on a calendar deadline. They PRESUME a certain number of seasons will get made before that deadline. But the license (and the contract which forms it) isn't about the number of seasons, or number of episodes. It's about the calendar date on which it expires. It expired, and that's that.
You're clearly only upset about this because you have an HBO Max subscription, and not one for Disney+ (and don't want to get one).
Complaining about the situation on Reddit won't change the situation. The next episodes will be on Disney+, not HBO Max. And that's that.
Still no bearing on where Series 14 ends up. You don't know about any (legit) clock running out.
I could care less about the subscription as I can get D+ or whatever I need to watch the episodes. So that is not a concern for me.
I showed you evidence that it was on MAX til series 14 and still can't see what is right in front of you.
Didn't answer the question as to what actually happened that caused it leaving MAX, all guesses and no facts.
The only one that is right is me, mate.
That is what I think to but others are vehemently saying no way jose and D+ has everything post-2023. There has been no mention of that at all.
It’s possible but someone would have to cancel the rights deal with WBD.
WBD may be happy to end the deal to save money but Disney or Doctor Who producers may not want to pay extra since they’re getting it regardless.
Disney shared rights for Fox movies with HBO so it makes sense they will do that with this barring no further news.
jogoso2014 t1_ixar19a wrote
I think it has this upcoming season and then it switched, but it’s not day and date.