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Frank3634 OP t1_ixc7exv wrote

Why? If the specials are pre-series 14. MAX has til series 14 and the specials are before. The contract was til series 14, did D+ buy them out? There was never any news of that.

Everything that you said I had already known. MAX should have everything til series 14 which includes the 2023 specials.

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DaveLambert t1_ixck5tb wrote

ALL that I can do in response is point you toward the official BBC press release about it, which includes the following language:

> LONDON, UK (Oct. 25, 2022) – Today the BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
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> Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland. The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
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> Both partners have aligned under returning showrunner Russell T Davies' bold vision, who takes control of the TARDIS in 2023. He was responsible for Doctor Who's revival in 2005 and is credited with propelling the show into one of TV's biggest hits.
> > The new episodes will premiere on the BBC and Disney+ beginning in late 2023 for fans all over the world.
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> The show will be produced in Wales by Bad Wolf with BBC Studios Production.
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> ...Notes to Editors:
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> The new episodes of Doctor Who will return to screens in November 2023 to coincide with the 60th anniversary and will premiere exclusively on the BBC for the UK and Ireland. David Tennant will play the Fourteenth Doctor for three specials, before Ncuti Gatwa takes over the role as the Fifteenth Doctor over the festive season.

Key takeaways here:

  • "Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland"
  • "Both partners have aligned under returning showrunner Russell T Davies' bold vision, who takes control of the TARDIS in 2023"
  • The new episodes will premiere on the BBC and Disney+ beginning in late 2023 for fans all over the world.
  • The new episodes of Doctor Who will return to screens in November 2023 to coincide with the 60th anniversary...for three specials, before Ncuti Gatwa takes over the role as the...Doctor

MEANWHILE, the original BBC press release about HBO Max and Doctor Who from August 1, 2019 (before HBO Max launched) only talks about Seasons 1-11, and a vague statement about "future seasons" that only specifically mentions Season 12.

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> MAX should have everything til series 14 which includes the 2023 specials.

I've been a professional entertainment writer for the last 15 years, and have grown up being a Doctor Who fans (so always kept an eye out for anything about that). I won't claim to be fanatical about it, but on the other hand if I had seen something claiming that HBO Max had rights through S14, I think I'd remember that. But no, I can't say I ever saw any entity (BBC, HBO, Warner, industry periodicals like Variety, etc.) post anything - credible or otherwise - claiming that DW S14 was specifically going to be found at HBO Max. Do YOU have a link to something which states that's the case?


EDIT: this wording of yours keeps coming back to me:

> MAX has til series 14 and the specials are before. The contract was til series 14

According to who? Where did you get that information?


EDIT 2: okay, I've searched around a bit. There was never any press release to this effect. Back on October 29, 2019, Warner held a "WarnerMedia Day" event to announce the launch of the HBO Max service for the following May 2020. All the details of the "10,000+ hours of programming" were gone over during that time. There was never anything printed (as in, a press release) which stated about "3 more seasons of Doctor Who," but during the part of the event which covered BBC shows on HBO Max, they led with DW and showed artwork for all 11 then-current seasons. The announcement which was casually made on the stage was that they had "locked in for 3 more seasons." Observers of that event reported it as tweets, or else on their websites. But we're talking smaller, less-well-known websites like "broaDWcast.org" and "comicon.com". I can't find evidence that this was even reported at well-known and globally popular DW fans sites such as DoctorWhoNews.net!

SO, WHAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN? The pandemic. Any plans to have all three seasons done in time for 2022 went out the window when COVID-19 hit. It's honestly amazing that they had two more seasons done so far (even if one of them was only a half-dozen episodes). I could compare this to the plans Chef Gordon Ramsay had for opening restaurants in the USA: in June 2019 he struck a deal with a private equity firm, Lion Capital, to form the entity called Gordon Ramsay North America, and open 100 restaurants across the United State by the end of 2024. After the Covid pandemic shut down restaurants and curbed building of new ones, the deal was officially revised to "75 total new restaurants in the USA between 2022 and 2026." He's only up to 19 so far, and that's after the Gordon Ramsay Fish & Chips shop opens in Time Square, NYC, either this coming weekend or next. Lots of shit changed thanks to the coronavirus! I'm sure the Doctor Who deal on HBO Max was affected in a similar way. And if that deal wasn't in a press release or reported on in a high-handed manner, then there were probably tons of contingencies in that deal ("assuming all three seasons get made by this date"; "assuming the show gets renewed for those seasons"; "assuming Jodie and Chibnall are still part of the show for those seasons"; etc.). If those contingencies changed, then the deal changed.

So I think that's your answer, mate. :)

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Frank3634 OP t1_ixeu01m wrote

Again a lot of info, but not much said, mate.

>The announcement which was casually made on the stage was that they had "locked in for 3 more seasons."

You even said it yourself. All that and I am still right.

What I was asking and with those long answers you never answered what happened to MAX's deal with seasons til series 14?

2022? Where did you get this?

Still not the answer I was looking for, mate.

>The next three seasons of the popular sci-fi show will also be available exclusively on HBO Max after they air on BBC America.

https://nerdist.com/article/doctor-who-streaming-hbo-max-exclusively/

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>the event also yielded an unexpected boon for Doctor Who fans: two additional seasons of the program beyond 2020. As part of the BBC’s deal with HBO Max to stream its content in the US, the service will make 11 seasons of the revived will be available at launch with “an additional three seasons to come.” Now, one of these seasons will be the one already produced and due to air sometime in 2020.

https://www.comicon.com/2019/10/29/the-bbcs-hbo-max-deal-yields-two-additional-seasons-of-doctor-who/

Beyond 2020 no mention of contingencies or done by 2022. Just 3 seasons while on MAX on one season already airing the following year of the article which was series 12.

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