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RPDRNick t1_ix5nn9u wrote

Oh, like comic book movies are reaching a tipping point? So that's, like, what, thirty more years of true crime shows?

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OneGoodRib t1_ix5yqw0 wrote

There's a basic cable channel that shows true crime shows that date back to 2004 so... some tipping point.

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JaneTheNotNotVirgin t1_ixctiwi wrote

Don't forget about that antenna channel (which is also on Pluto, Tubo, all that stuff) that shows FBI Files, Forensic Files/Medical Detectives, he'll even Unsolved Mysteries. That's like 35 years right there.

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crimson777 t1_ixa1r8r wrote

To be fair, I'd say TV show trends, on average, last less time than movie trends. At least in regards to their peak saturation. Comic book movies have been going pretty strong since the early/mid-2000s, whereas stuff like the Zombie tv show trend, for instance, came and went. Even the mockumentary sitcom, while still kicking to some extent, has slowed down a lot.

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crashfrog t1_ix7l0gi wrote

“Comic book movies” is like saying “novel movies.” As long as people are making new novels and comic books, some of them will get made into movies.

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[deleted] t1_ix8025j wrote

Novels usually aren’t completely dominated by one genre and all of literature isn’t in a shared universe and a sequel of an earlier book. It’s not really comparable

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crashfrog t1_ix809si wrote

> all of literature isn’t in a shared universe

I mean, technically the realist stuff is

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RPDRNick t1_ix7ltem wrote

I'm merely mocking the entertainment media that's effectively been predicting the death of Marvel and DC movies for about ten years now...

With that said, I think you know damned well what genre "comic book movies" tends to describe. No one is thinking American Slendor or Ghost World, regardless of their sources.

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crashfrog t1_ix7pbm4 wrote

> With that said, I think you know damned well what genre “comic book movies” tends to describe.

Yeah, but I think you know what kind of movie "novel adapted for film" tends to describe, too.

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BILLCLINTONMASK t1_ix5t7g4 wrote

Comic book movies are westerns. They were once everywhere and have all but died off

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CostAquahomeBarreler t1_ix5uxyx wrote

Westerns didn’t have the flexibility of genre switching quite like a comic book

A comic movie can be a western comedy or sci-fi drama

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cabose7 t1_ix6ajdt wrote

Eh I don't think you're giving westerns enough credit on how broad the genre was stretched, for one thing, it's a genre that has regularly had more artistic ambitions than any movie Marvel and DC has produced.

There's no John Ford of the MCU

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arrogantavocado t1_ix6ie0h wrote

There is great art within the superhero genre outside of MCU and DC, but it might be unfair them to compare to John Ford, given that The Searchers is widely considered one of the greatest movies of all time.

Logan is a good exploration of failure and redemption and Legion has some of the most innovative storytelling in recent years.

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cabose7 t1_ix6jdye wrote

I mean if we're gonna talk about flexibility of western vs comic book cinema how can we not talk about the heights of the western?

I love Legion, it's a shame that something like that will never be made in Marvel's foreseeable future because there's no room for something that idiosyncratic in the MCU.

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arrogantavocado t1_ix6kste wrote

I was going to write something about how Westerns had more time to develop and that The Searchers was the peak of the second wave, but we're currently in the second wave of popularity for superhero movies and it does seem unlikely that there will be anything new of great artistic ambition, given that the MCU more or less has recovered all their old properties. DC might be more experimental given the failure of their cinematic universe, but they're still lacking in artistic merit outside of bright spots like The Dark Knight, even if there are entertaining diversions like Shazam and The Suicide Squad.

TV probably is where art will be for the superhero genre, just like other genres. Forgot to mention that Watchmen is another example of artistic ambition for superhero shows.

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cabose7 t1_ix6ls2v wrote

Yeah I agree on pretty much all counts. Watchmen was certainly much more ambitious.

I think it'd do the genre a lot of good if it had a B movie division much like westerns did in their golden age - a good B western could just be a mostly dialogue driven two hander with a couple of locations. I'd love to see a comic book movie like that - God knows actual comic books have done great issues like that.

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CptNonsense t1_ix6m65j wrote

There are factually plenty of superhero style B movies. You just don't look for them or see them.

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cabose7 t1_ix6mvaw wrote

They don't really get made anymore. No one's making Super or Chronicle these days.

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CptNonsense t1_ix6nm0t wrote

Yes they are.

Samaritan and Secret Headquarters came out this year. Thunder Force last year. B superhero B movies. Are you confusing B movies and indie films? If so, whatever the hell this is came out this year.

And those are just the clear cut "definitely superhero" films. When you stretch the genre to "people with superpowers", you get "Everything Everywhere All at Once". This year.

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cabose7 t1_ix6prl3 wrote

Samaritan has a $100 million budget, you think that's a B movie?

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CptNonsense t1_ix7wcjv wrote

Pick at what you want, you are still wrong. You going to tell me the Accident Man sequel and Corrective Measures aren't B movies, too?

Never mind that's just superhero movies.

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cabose7 t1_ix80ct1 wrote

The B movie system as it was for westerns in their hay day doesn't exist anymore. They were theatrical films with low to modest budgets but had access to studio resources and up and coming talent that weren't ready for A pictures.

Jesse Van Johnson makes DTV films, and he's actually pretty good at directing even if he rarely gets a good script. He's never gonna get the next Chris Evans or whatever who needs to cut his teeth before becoming Captain America. It's actually the opposite, Johnson gets stars at the end of their careers.

I'm lamenting that superhero films don't have a true B movie system.

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CptNonsense t1_ix831ag wrote

>The B movie system as it was for westerns in their hay day doesn't exist anymore.

Do we are just being disingenuous now, ok.

>I'm lamenting that superhero films don't have a true B movie system.

I bet that died after the paramount accords in 48, so no shit.

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ahyuknyuk t1_ix7bxi3 wrote

You could also make a decent western on a tight budget. You cant make a decent low budget superhero movie because of all the CGI, set pieces and costumes they need. That makes them much less flexible as a genre than westerns.

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elizabnthe t1_ix7npki wrote

I don't think that's true, its just not overly common.

CW shows are low budget and whilst largely declined there was some good seasons and episodes in amongst them.

Not all superhero powers have to be budget intensive either.

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CptNonsense t1_ix6lwqf wrote

>Eh I don't think you're giving westerns enough credit on how broad the genre was stretched,

Yes they are. You can have a comedy western or a drama western. That's about it back in the 50s and 60s. You wern't getting a genre mixed sci fi western for multiple reasons. A comic book movie can be a comedy or a drama, or it can be western. Or it can be a sci fi western.

Comic book movies are beyond more flexible than Westerns because Westerns are limited to a specific style where comic book movies limitation is "has comic book characters (real or imagined)"

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cabose7 t1_ix6mmic wrote

I mean you say that but mainstream comic films are largely just hero's journey action films. Sure you can change the aesthetics of the setting but the actual story beats will be largely the same. No one's pumping out adaptations of more character driven comics like Ghost World or anything along those lines.

You think DC or Marvel would ever make a film like the original 3:10 to Yuma, which is mostly just Glenn Ford and Van Heflin exchanging superb dialogue in a room?

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CptNonsense t1_ix6npjz wrote

>No one's pumping out adaptations of more character driven comics like Ghost World or anything along those lines.

You not looking for or watching them doesn't mean people aren't making them. Still.

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Skavau t1_ix6su2g wrote

Do you consider Neo-Westerns westerns? Or Weird West?

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CptNonsense t1_ix7x24b wrote

Sure, but how many of those did they make in the 40s through 60s?

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BILLCLINTONMASK t1_ix631m2 wrote

In the end, a comic book movie is this: a gang of outlaws takes over the town and the Marshall has to come in and clean em up. The town is just bigger.

Westerns were also able to have different flavors on the genre, that's why it was a dominant subject for media of all types (books, movie, TV) for decades.

But its popularity declined just like comic stuff's popularity will decline.

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kisv23 t1_ix60k15 wrote

I think they are saying that Westerns used to do the same, and are anticipating comic book movies falling off the same way.

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101stAirborneSkill t1_ix6dhfe wrote

Comic books are more than superheroes

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Chilis1 t1_ix6h3ko wrote

“Comics book movies” is more or less a shorthand for superhero movies.

Non superhero comic book films are not particularly significant.

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101stAirborneSkill t1_ix6nuqe wrote

Yes they are

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Chilis1 t1_ix6q7tm wrote

Not really in any mainstream sense, there’s been what, sandman, sin city, 300, compared with hundreds of superhero things.

So when someone says "comic book movies" it's fair to equate that with superhero movies.

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OneGoodRib t1_ix5yxqe wrote

"All but died off" one of them came out a week ago and has already made over twice its budget??

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preppytarg t1_ix61a9c wrote

What western came out a week ago? Or did you just misunderstand the comment.

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BILLCLINTONMASK t1_ix62hyq wrote

That's what "all but" means. There used to be multiple westerns on TV in prime time every week and in endless syndication. Westerns in novel form and in movies were also dominant forces in their industries. Not the case these days despite the occasional western tv show or movie still being produced.

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anasui1 t1_ix5tgyq wrote

when you start making series about cases that are still ongoing, and aren't even interesting to boot you know you reached scrapyard land

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VitaminPb t1_ix602tk wrote

The key is for producers to start funding more interesting crimes with twisty clues and evidence.

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Khyron_2500 t1_ix6w6oc wrote

Oh damn, that would be crazy to see.

I guess like people who start fires to save people, the True Crime documentarian who does the crimes.

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MGD109 t1_ix7shh3 wrote

I could believe it. I'm pretty sure their was a case in the fifties of a news group that tried to hire mercenaries to invade a Caribbean island so they could report on it.

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CaptainMagni t1_ix8kln4 wrote

Yeah if your doc ends with "X is set to trial 202X" then it was too soon to make, a shocking number of them feel like defense propaganda too, trying to turn open and shut cases into "who could say what really happened" mysteries

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Maninhartsford t1_ix5om11 wrote

Hey, gen-xers, just out of curiosity, what killed the 80s true crime trend? Was it just running out of interesting cases?

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beebs44 t1_ix68ukv wrote

I used to watch Court TV like it was crack. I don't know why they got rid of it. Remember so many bananas cases.

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Gh0stMan0nThird t1_ix89bdi wrote

I watch a bunch of police interrogations myself. Don't know why, I just find it interesting.

Only problem is when the uploaders act like they have anything meaningful to contribute so they'll chime in every now again like, "Liars often don't tell the truth, and the police know this."

Like yeah 10/10 you really added something meaningful to the video please be quiet now

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Ha1rBall t1_ix6cqdy wrote

ID Discovery for the win.

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Mattyzooks t1_ix888r5 wrote

Terrible article. This article is just about how the author is sick of the genre. It just lists a bunch of true crime shows coming out and with a theme of it all being too much. Whatever. If you don't enjoy it or find it exploitative, don't watch it. Views matter and they'll gladly misinterpret your hate views for interest. This genre will eventually tire itself out and they'll stop making them once they no longer become as profitable. I'm over the genre but it seems like plenty of people aren't yet.
Seriously, this article is literally saying nothing. Unfortunately, click-bait articles with nothing of substance is no where near reaching a tipping point.
Do better, Hollywood Reporter.

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WalkerSunset t1_ix76ggj wrote

Somebody is mad about the Dahmer series.

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derpspace2d t1_ix6otsu wrote

most "true crime" youtube channels are just brutal domestic abuse cases now. no care of sympathy for the victims.

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ilrosewood t1_ix6wiac wrote

That’s where 80s and 90s true crime headed.

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RockLobster89 t1_ix5y7vh wrote

There are so many untapped stories, they’ll jump the shark once they get to Kallinger

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novus_ludy t1_ix7cnyu wrote

Bring back American Vandal!

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neogreenlantern t1_ix9wo4j wrote

I want less murder true crime and more heist and silly crimes.

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double_turd t1_ix6ip6w wrote

Dumb…dumb dumb dumb

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beefsupreme65 t1_ix6za9g wrote

Just listen to the tco podcast and you'll be happy with the amount of true crime shows.

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