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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixe06im wrote

>As they furtively scrape at the legs of a colossus, they live mean existences. They fear that their methods are beginning to match their enemy’s. They fear that the chance at a boring, normal existence is slipping away and taking happiness with it.

there hasn't been a show like Andor for a long time, if ever.

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MurielHorseflesh t1_ixe4xf0 wrote

Andor in these most recent episodes feels closer to George Lucas’ dystopian first movie THX-1138 and I’m loving it.

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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixe80rr wrote

the styling of the prison was all THX-1138, with all the white.

it's just the best show out there rn imo, i will be bummed when it ends tomorrow, i have loved these weekly threads, we all watched Andor grow together, it was kinda nice.

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SustainedSuspense t1_ixg8oxs wrote

Ends tomorrow?

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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixgrbkr wrote

downloading e12 as i type this, the last one.

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CapnSmite t1_ixgz9ua wrote

Well, season finale. Not the last one last one.

For anyone who didn't know, they've previously announced there will be a second season, and they've reportedly started filming it very recently.

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MattHoppe1 t1_ixedbv7 wrote

B2MO also really leans into George saying astromechs are the dogs of the Star Wars universe

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send3squats2help t1_ixfhpl7 wrote

This show is so good, I am blown away every week. I can’t wait to watch Rogue One again after finishing the 2nd season.

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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixeouyu wrote

it's from the article, i thought it deserved a mention but yeah i agree, and this is the best paragraph i could find...., the author is, i think, trying to write some high-minded philosophical essay

Colossus, existence, it's a bit much for a tv show i feel, we're not talking True Detective here.

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byronotron t1_ixfld5j wrote

The Americans.

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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixgr77r wrote

good call!, you're right!

one of the writers on The Americans is now involved with Andor.

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Haladras t1_ixsjqle wrote

Chernobyl is another.

Andor is a Cold War story transposed to an entirely fictional setting, and that makes it interesting in its own right.

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[deleted] t1_ixggupn wrote

The fanboy hyperbole around this show is fucking ridiculous.

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bwat47 t1_ixmvt0z wrote

watching andor is literally the best thing that's ever happened to me

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SoulCruizer t1_ixf72t0 wrote

It’s gotten to the point that comments mentioning the how often this is promoted is more obnoxious than the articles posted.

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[deleted] t1_ixfb90h wrote

Seriously, I would like to have just one Andor thread where the main topic isn't whether there are too many posts about Andor. This is a TV subreddit. People who aren't watching a certain show don't need to comment on every thread about it just to say they feel personally attacked

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Maninhartsford t1_ixfugoo wrote

Even if Disney IS paying to promote the show, there's like 10 posts on here a day about it. SOME of them MUST be genuine. I've actually seen comments screaming at OPs for being bots and they're just like "uh, I'm not? I like the show?"

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YourmomgoestocolIege t1_ixfyg7w wrote

I just don't understand how something they can easily scroll past to see dozens of other topics not about Andor gets them into a tizzy

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SoulCruizer t1_ixfbr41 wrote

It’s all for karma and attention seeking, It happens all the time. People will jump at the chance to point out the obvious and nab that top spot to say the same thing said a million times like it’s an original thought. What’s funny is they are only generating a discussion that’s keeping these posts coming.

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wordsandwich t1_ixg871s wrote

lol dude, this is reddit, where every widely known fairly successful movie or TV series is an underrated cinematic masterclass in auteur filmmaking, whatever that means.

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spyson t1_ixgpaf8 wrote

You can see it in Walking Dead threads where there are just legions of comments about how they stopped watching the show at season 1 when the thread is about Season 10 of TWD or whatever.

Or if there's a GRRM thread it's flooded with posts about finishing the book, it just derails the posts

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Ora_00 t1_ixgt0b3 wrote

Yeah! Just let disney market their damn show in peace! /s

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optiplex9000 t1_ixg9e9n wrote

How dare people like a show that's very well made! Organic Fandom is a all a conspiracy!

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DonPolloStock t1_ixfvlnq wrote

It’s because the show is amazing. You should watch it…

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tombuzz t1_ixezgo6 wrote

Huge fan of le carre and spy who came in from the cold is probably my favorite book by him. Andor shows what spying is all about. It’s about using people. Not being bond and shooting 50 people and whipping out gadgets. You use people to get information, to sabotage, and your relationship with your assets and your ability to manipulate them is what it’s all about.

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byronotron t1_ixflasu wrote

The Americans is the only other show I know that gets this right: they're not super heroes, they're super manipulators.

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eunoiared t1_ixfpngk wrote

One of the consulting producer is Stephen Schiff, who produce The American. He also wrote Andor Season 1 Episode 7: Announcement.

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drunkill t1_ixgxcau wrote

When they first announced andor they said people from The Americans were working on it, i was 100% onboard it from day 1.

I believe the main showrunner left and Gilroy took over very early on, but had already gotten a few people in the writing room.

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tombuzz t1_ixfmqz0 wrote

You should watch the bureau of legends. French show and possibly the best spy show ever, and my top 5 shows of all time.

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lucashoodfromthehood t1_ixfwioo wrote

Homeland season 3 might be a mixed bag but that gave out big Le Carre vibes. Dirty banks, superpower behind the shadow making moves, characters slowly discovering the whole plot. Season 6 and 7 as well.

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Filmatic113 t1_ixe7u78 wrote

Everybody go watch andor. Now on Disney+

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ArcherInPosition t1_ixfdcp9 wrote

Thank you my good gentleman.

I will now watch Andor on Disney+

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Mervynhaspeaked t1_ixg2eav wrote

Everybody watch Andor WHEREVER YOU PREFER OR IS CAPABLE OF DOING SO

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mulder00 t1_ixermkk wrote

I thought I could go an hour without another Andor article/post! I was wrong!

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spyson t1_ixgpdcs wrote

Maybe don't click on them then

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Volderon90 t1_ixfd0w1 wrote

It’s time for your Andor article.

Yes, honey

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permafr0st t1_ixewy35 wrote

Bro I usually think it's silly and that people are being paranoid when people call out astroturfing campaigns but holy shit I feel like I am taking crazy pills with the amount of Andor post and articles trying to convince to watch this show.

I'm sure it's a fine show but this is first time I feel like the marketing is being a bit blatant.

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selectiveyellow t1_ixf63on wrote

For me this has been the only consistently good Star Wars media since The Mandalorian, which was three years ago.

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Annoying-Ass_Insect t1_ixf6gpg wrote

Honestly, I totally believe that the constant push for this show is real people. I didn’t believe it could be that good until I checked it out myself last week and saw it was leaps and bounds beyond every other Star Wars show.

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byronotron t1_ixflp3k wrote

That's why you're seeing so many articles about it, because it's SO good that even regular, non-star wars fans are noticing. How many articles have there been about Succession?

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selectiveyellow t1_ixf7158 wrote

Gotta remember that entertainment news is a vicious cycle. Reddit reacts to media, media reacts to users reacting, and users post these regurgitative articles.

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Calfzilla2000 t1_ixi8tl4 wrote

I think the reports that the show wasn't hitting the streaming numbers previous big Disney+ shows have reached (not 100% certain because the real numbers are not provided) got fans of the show motivated to help promote it.

I wouldn't say I am helping but it certainly made me feel like I should.

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Annoying-Ass_Insect t1_ixicxl6 wrote

It’s a shame it’s not reached the same audience. I think it’s probably a hole that Disney dug by producing a bunch of Star Wars and Marvel shows that ended up being received badly, so most people dismissed this before it was even released. I also thought it’d be more of the same, so I can’t blame them.

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Calfzilla2000 t1_ixiel6l wrote

It will find it's audience. Whether it's because of the merciless spam from fans, promotion by Disney or just plain word of mouth, people will find this show and Season 2 will be huge.

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LuckyPlaze t1_ixf7sls wrote

I don’t think a lot of it is Marketing. It’s genuinely THAT good. People want to talk about it.

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jsgx3 t1_ixf9be1 wrote

It's very good, the buzz is ground floor and it deserves it. Just a great entertaining ride.

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NorthernDevil t1_ixfg9y4 wrote

I mean maybe but if I were more of a poster and less of a commenter I’d be pumping this show up. It’s been by far my favorite Star Wars show of the batch, and one of my current favorite shows generally. I want it to get the love I think it deserves and I kinda think every one of these posters does too, mostly so we get more content like it from the Disney machine.

And I don’t think I’m a shill. But how would I know?!

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HerbaciousTea t1_ixgj62s wrote

What's more likely?

Disney comitting a massive amount of gross violations of FCC regulations by running a secret and undisclosed astroturfing campaign and that every redditor and hobby site is secretly either a fake bot or in cahoots and being paid off to post positively about the show?

Or people talking about Andor because it's a surprisingly great show in an IP that has gotten a whole lot of trash recently?

Reddit imagines that astroturfing to be WAY more common than it is, and vastly overestimate the value of reddit threads to advertisers.

When we're talking ad campaigns designed to draw tens or hundreds of millions of eyes, no one is going to expend any degree of effort to break the law for the grand prize of... some reddit threads with a few dozen comments.

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RusevReigns t1_ixfvt2j wrote

It's mostly not astroturfing, it's just people are collectivists who want to join in when they see something buzzy and therefore have talked themselves into Andor being this good (and imo seeing something that's not really there). The critics are just trying to get views from the Andor trendsters. Disney might have started the snowball but everything after that is people organically overrating it because they saw other people overrating it. Now as a result of this Andor will probably be one of the best reviewed dramas on TV for the rest of its run. Because one day (possibly with Disney starting the snowball), it became buzzy.

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hoos30 t1_ixj9cmb wrote

Why is hard to believe that people in the Reddit demo simply like a well-written sci-fi show?

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Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho t1_ixgoshg wrote

It's a really, really good show, and the next episode was the finale. That is always going to cause a lot of talk.

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hellkingbat t1_ixj706e wrote

To be honest, there hasn't been an opportunity that I've skipped praising the show. I've did it in one of my company Slack channels even lol.

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esran7 t1_ixfefq2 wrote

Criticisms are also not allowed to get any upvotes except the standard "if you don't like the first few episodes keep at it, it really picks up later!".

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JediJoshy1 t1_ixfpxnd wrote

I get that but I’d say the show is built more around a multiple story arc structure, so if you just watch the first ep it’ll feel a bit open, I believe that’s why they put out the first 3 eps at once since it’s one whole arc, then the Aldahni arc, and the prison

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anasui1 t1_ixet7rh wrote

that article is awful, but John Le Carrè's The Spy Who Came In From The Cold is a great, great book

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UnemployedMod420 t1_ixfq73c wrote

Next week it’s my turn to post an Andor fluff piece

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wordsandwich t1_ixg8pub wrote

By that same token, the Empire in this series isn't depicted at the level of Darth Vader running rampant across the galaxy. In this show, the dastardly Imperial villains are literally pencil-pushing desk jockeys--delusional, privileged bureaucrats who can't remotely relate to the plight of common people and so could care less about the far reaching consequences their actions have on millions of lives.

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sheepinb t1_ixgryhs wrote

Ahhhh give it a rest already ffs lol

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DisneyDreams7 t1_ixfp8gr wrote

Hot take: The show should have centered around Luthen. His character is so much more interesting than Andor. He’s like the Star Wars Nick Fury

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Ora_00 t1_ixgsxqp wrote

Ok come on now! What is with these andor posts? Is disney really so desperate for viewers that it has to pay people to keep posting this crap every damn day!? Just stop it already!

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OnLee4U t1_ixezmu9 wrote

Is this a fuckin bot sub. It just pushes Andor everyday. Do you think this is working??

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HandLion t1_ixf0y8s wrote

If you'd seen Andor you'd understand why we're pushing it

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mizut1 t1_ixq4y91 wrote

It's good, but the amount of posts on this sub is just ridiculous, reminds me of The Expanse (which is also good) posts.

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Cheez85 t1_ixf2qn2 wrote

Seen it and only 3 maybe 4 episodes were decent. Not the massive hype everyone is pushing.

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selectiveyellow t1_ixf6kph wrote

I'm just impressed that they had three coherent arcs within 11 episodes. A lot of writing these days feel stretched out and bloated so it was refreshing. I do think "rebellion before the rebels, following a bunch of nobodies" won't be for everyone though.

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esran7 t1_ixfhhfj wrote

But it is a bit stretched. in terms of really meaningful plot developments there has been 1) a successful rebel attack + empire reacting 2) the protagonist slowly finding that a regular life isn't in the cards for him. Much of everything else and most characters didn't really matter all that much yet. The whole "we must cut lose strings = kill andor" premise of the second half feels a bit silly and forced and lets the writers have the rebels not do anything (other than luthen and mothma, who are pretty cool).

Half the episodes were quite good, the other half just fine. One was dedicated exclusively to hyping up the heist and making us care about the side characters, and didn't hugely succeed on either of those. I like the show though, the last few episodes have been real good.

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3D_soup t1_ixg5wl9 wrote

Fanboys are going to downvote us but I agree.

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OnLee4U t1_ixf18cd wrote

I’ve seen all of Disney Star Wars and it sucks besides The Mando season 1. I’m not gonna keep rewarding bad behavior. Thus why Disney + is bleeding subs. Fuck em.

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DanglyPants t1_ixg8irn wrote

I’ve never met someone that says the siege of mandolore sucks. You’re either the first or you’ve never seen it

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angel_palomares t1_ixf6p9p wrote

Cant we just downvote these? Who even posts them?

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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixgs5rm wrote

a post about a tv show on /r/television ?

and you're downvoting?

stay classy San Diego.

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angel_palomares t1_ixgs90e wrote

Man it's not a post, it's the 100th post I've seen this week about it. Not even Rings of Power was like this

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hagbardceline69420 t1_ixgskim wrote

yeah, it's popular.

i like the threads every day, i like the show and want to talk about it with people who like it too.

that's what this sub is all about, discussing TV.

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MustrumRidcully0 t1_ixici7e wrote

I would argue that Star Wars is a vastly bigger franchise than Lord of the Rings (even if LotR has been around longer) or Star Trek (even if that is superior to both *kidding*). There isn't just a reddit about Star Wars, there are reddits about various Star Wars computer and board games, there is a reddit about prequel memes, there is a reddit that was started by people that were so disappointed by the sequels and the main Star Wars reddit that they created a sub for more critical (if not outright bashing) threads. A lot of people are interested. And a lot of people have been somewhat disappointed of the most recent offerings.

And there comes along a series that most people that watched it enjoyed, despite being clearly different from most Star Wars offering. A series that gets even disgruntled people back and enthusiastic again.

Is it really that surprising that it's such a frequent topic?

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PainStorm14 t1_ixeayax wrote

Almost every white character dies as well

Plus Blevin is still alive and well so black ones are still kicking

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Educational-Tower t1_ixdx09c wrote

Another fucking Andor article

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Regula96 t1_ixe6505 wrote

Another pointless comment by someone who can just ignore the posts if he's so tired of them.

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TheBlindBard16 t1_ixe7evw wrote

Where else do pointless comments deserve to exist than on pointless posts? You can’t justify the existence of one and not the other.

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eerok79 t1_ixei7ff wrote

You can also ignore these "Another fucking Andor article" posts, no need to comment.

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PetyrDayne OP t1_ixdvw1e wrote

Obligatory not another Andor post comment. Now that I've said it you don't have to.

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hanky2 t1_ixe3oxc wrote

Acknowledging the Andor spam is lame doesn’t make the spam less lame.

That’s like how a certain Marvel show was making fun of how bad it was.

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gauephat t1_ixe5eje wrote

I'm much more tolerant of spam when the show being spammed about is actually good.

At least it's not ten daily articles mindlessly bashing/praising Rings of Power

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[deleted] t1_ixet2tf wrote

Yeah! Now it’s just ten daily articles about how Andor is different and the Star Wars we “need right now”!

Spam is spam tbh and the mods here do a crappy job of making this anything other than an advertising sub

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