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WhyWorryAboutThat t1_isbd05x wrote

Reply to comment by EternalArchon in Channel 4 buys painting by Hitler – and may let Jimmy Carr destroy it by kianworld

The nazis were burning history books about the groups they targeted, books of scientific research which contradicted their perceived superiority, and political books supporting platforms that went against their own. The loss of access to that information was devastating and the performance art of public burnings was in service of a nazi regime. Destroying Hitler's painting isn't keeping anyone from seeing the image and is performance art in opposition to nazis.

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AlexandersWonder t1_isckyb6 wrote

Plus it’s just a real feel-good moment for a lot of people. Smashing up Hitler’s shit out of sheer spite 80 years after his death just sounds really cathartic to me.

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EternalArchon t1_iscvkis wrote

Cathartic is a weird notion considering this is happening only after the people who fought nazis and survived the Holocaust are mostly all dying off

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AlexandersWonder t1_iscx5ej wrote

Nah, tons of fascist dickheads still look up to him and ideologies he espoused are still alive and well. The legacy of the war he helped start is still felt to this day as well. Idk, he was a real dickhead. I think I would get a little kick out someone throwing a “Fuck Hitler Party” just to smash up some of his shit. There’ll always be a digital record anyways so it’s really more symbolic

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EternalArchon t1_iscvhvj wrote

I understand Nazis burned books in accordance with their values, burning their own books would be absolute absurdism. Thats what dumb humans always do. Its what christians did to the pagans, what the pagans did to carthage, etc. They did so publicly because it appeals to the dark heart of man -- the craving to see your opponents works fall into ash.

> and is performance art in opposition to nazis

the Nazi regime fell 75 years ago. “Opposition” to the most hated and despised regime which ever existed is like performance art against cannibalism. We live in a world where people can’t even have a small mustache anymore.

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AlexandersWonder t1_iscxp43 wrote

Nazi ideology is alive and well in this world, even if the OGs are all ashes and dust now.

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WhyWorryAboutThat t1_isejf9m wrote

Oh, you're one of those people who thinks there are no more nazis since World War 2 ended. Well I had a nice discussion about whether it can ever be acceptable to destroy art with you. But now I just have to tell you that you're wrong. Nazis hold rallies and protests to this day in my country. They back politicians with bigoted platforms, radicalize young people online including in spaces that exist for my own hobbies, and occasionally try to kill people with a car or bomb or gun.

Losing a painting by a mediocre artist is a price worth paying to remind them their goals are not accepted. They've become far too emboldened in the last few years.

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EternalArchon t1_ishvhqh wrote

> you're one of those people who thinks there are no more nazis since World War 2 ended

So you make up an impossible straw man -- there are zero nazis after WWII, then argue with that strawman.

My guess, you crave power, you love holding power over people. Burning a dead artist's work has nothing to do with any vitreous goal, but to feed a darkness in your soul you won't even acknowledge is there. You haven't, as social scientists describe 'integrated your shadow.'

Instead of destroying a piece of history, you could get mad that Jon Stewart gave a medal at Disney world to a Ukrainian Nazi with a black sun tattoo. Or that the USA is funding Ukrainian nazis like the Azov Battalion. 100% chance you won't care, there won't even be the tiniest fucking droplet of sincerity when it comes to this issue -- at all, if you can't even stop salivating over flamethrowing a painting, then killing Russians (an enemy tribe) is going to give you an erection the size of mount Everest.

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WhyWorryAboutThat t1_isj9px4 wrote

I didn't mean for it to be a straw man, but if you know there are nazis, why did you say there aren't?

> My guess, you crave power, you love holding power over people.

Not only am I not the one destroying a painting, I don't even intend to watch it. Chill.

Describing Hitler as "an artist" and one of his paintings as "a piece of history" is a really bad look. He is regarded as an average artist at best, it was a hobby he wasn't good enough at to turn into a profession, and there's no special artistic or historic significance to this piece in particular. He's no more of an artist than me and this painting isn't history any more than my sketches.

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