They changed it to make it have more action and melodrama which was a huge mistake to me.

You know things are going to be different when in the first episode they have an freak accident out of control space hotel almost kill most of the main cast lol.

I still enjoyed it but they were at a much higher standard the first two seasons.

I really liked The new Star Trek show but it did not have the heart or the interesting premises of Orville New horizons.

It's just way more clever overall

They are roughly the same level of meldorama mixed with stupid for me.

Picard has 7 of 9 in it.

It started off ok.

that's a dumb way to judge something. Now if the people making it or the actors playing were encouraging asshole-ish behavior that would be a different story. My take as someone who liked SNW is that the Orville is a good show, especially the third season.

I think there's some good ideas it has and the effects are top notch, but the writing and acting is..... not always there to support it. Season 3 had both some of the highlights and lowlights of the show. I think it would have been better if Seth McFarlane didn't have to sell it as "Family Guy in Space".

That said, I would still like to see more of it (and I enjoy New Trek too.)

Normal person here...it's not good, you're missing nothing of value.

And those other Modern trek shows have been trying to do depressing serialized drama instead of the hopeful episodic Sci-fi stories that made star trek great.

So I’ll stand by my comment.

It technically ended in January.

The Expanse had a very limited last season. Cas Anvar did damage. (And, “Yes, I know they fired him.”) It wasn’t enough.

So the Orvilles main thing is that it copies another franchise ?

I guess having ridiculously low standards is what we're doing this year.

I wasn’t being literal. Seth McFarlane had originally pitched an official Star Trek show, and afterward created The Orville. Both franchises feature mostly human crews of exploratory ships in an intergalactic alien federation dealing with social conflict, politics, alien threats, spatial anomalies and time travel shenanigans.

The Orville is directly inspired and very often an homage to Star Trek, but has built enough of its own universe to tell stories entirely unique to their characters.

They’re sci-fi peas in a pod.

It was!

I had a hard time getting through the early episodes of The Orville since I wasn’t a big fan of the humor, but it nailed the aesthetic, tone and even commercial break timing of 1990’s Star Trek.

The earlier seasons do lay the foundation for some big character storylines that really blossom into the most emotional and heartfelt science fiction story telling in season 3.

The humor is really cranked down for New Horizons and because every episode was at least 60 minutes, each felt so much bigger than other shows. It’s really worth a watch for folks who like episodic sci-fi but skipped out on live action “Family Guy in space;” it’s genuinely great Star Trek.

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Maybe my statement was misinterpreted..... I am not a very good writer, after all.

What I meant was that Andor should have gotten all of those awards. So far it's been amazing. The sets, the acting, the VFX, the dialogue.. it clearly is a return to form for prestige television after the last 5 years of increasingly diluted writing talent.

It might completely shit the bed in its last few episodes. But even then, it has the following over Strange New Worlds:

a) Characters feel like real people. On SNW, you have a ragtag group of randoms whose backstory is either written on their sleeve (La'An) or there's none at all and they only have scenes on the bridge generally, have lines, but are inexplicable (Ortegas).

b) Speaking of Ortegas, the writers seem to have insisted on using the Marvel template of quippy lines at inappropriate times. The character acts completely and uttery unprofessionally. Noone notices, because the plot needs to happen. There are no moments where someone says to her "Hey, you need to button up before you take the helm of this bajillion dollar space ship because 200 lives are counting on you."

c) In Strange New Worlds half of the VFX shots are covered in smeary digital lens flares. This never happens in Andor.

d) Andor doesn't use "The Volume", which is the LED wraparound virtual set that the other Star Wars productions use. SNW uses it for a lot of things, including Engineering, which has been reduced to becoming a vast cave with one console in the middle, like some sort of budget TARDIS. It looks awful. it doesn't look like Star Trek's engineering set from 1967 and while I know there'd have to be updates to make it look modern, it's a completely different room.

e) The plots in SNW are kind of ass. Like, the whole episode where they think they're characters from some storybook because a space cloud has become friends with the Doctor's ailing daughter, and then at the end the cloud takes her because he can't save her, the actor playing the doctor has absolutely no emotions because he can't act his way out of a paper bag, then she pops in as an adult but not really because she's space cloud now. Is that how you resolve a plot that's been going on since the beginning of the show? The daughter thing was basically just a mystery box from poor writers.

The last episode of the season has them time jump to an alternate 7 years in the future during the original Star Trek's "Balance of Terror" and the romulan commander, despite not having the same rapport that he had with Kirk (because the scenes are entirely different) then says the lines from the original episodes almost VERBATIM at the end and we're supposed to be somehow impressed by this even though those lines didn't fit the scene, didn't work with the rest of the script, and existed entirely for memberberries.

Anyhow, I hope SNW season 2 is better, because even though it can be very mediocre it's the only live trek right now that isn't outwardly hostile to its audience.