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MrGulo-gulo t1_is7k09y wrote

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DrSpacemanSpliff t1_is7si64 wrote

They are shitty writers, yes. But the most awful thing they did was “complete” Frank Herbert’s original series (he died before writing the last book). They shoved their own original prequel characters as the big bad, and changed other parts that were set up with the cliffhanger of Chapterhouse: Dune. Then they claimed that it was based off of some discovered “Dune 7” notes that they claim to have found among Frank’s things. The book so so clearly has nothing from Frank (maybe one specific thing), and so he basically exploited his father’s name and the goodwill of the fans with a complete lie.

The fact that he writes shitty EU books doesn’t bother me, but it’s the fact that he claims to have completed the story the way his father wanted, when in reality it is used to advertise his prequel series by reviving characters from thousands of years before with no other reason.

It’s a slap in the face.

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book1245 t1_is7zn3q wrote

I've read Frank's original ending for Chapterhouse in his notes (No joke, there's a college library near LA that has a bunch of his papers and drafts). Daniel and Marty were exactly who we thought they were, and certainly NOT Thinking Machines.

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DrSpacemanSpliff t1_is840vo wrote

It even says in the book that they are advanced Facedancers. It’s clear that they were an extension of the idea of a FD not having a “core” or base personality, and would take on their copied personas. That in the scattering, they had absorbed so many memories that some new “self” had emerged. They maybe even had copied someone with prescience and even with deep other memory, seeing as they were expressing ancient earth customs.

IMO they were meant to be the ultimate Abomination, where another soul (other memory) didn’t take over someone’s body because there was no one “home” in the first place.

I think there was going to be a significant time jump as well.

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drupoxy t1_is7uhv3 wrote

I think I laid it out pretty extensively there but the other reply to your comment sums it up. I’d also add that not only do they pretend to complete Frank’s books but they retcon the events of his first Dune book or two in order to shoehorn their characters into their in-betweenquels

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FlaveC t1_is8xgjx wrote

They're both very shitty writers but Anderson is in a league of his own. The man is probably the worst scifi writer I have ever read -- he knows nothing about science, he makes no effort to do any research, and he delivers book after book of pathetic schlock scifi just for the paycheck. He's the scifi equivalent of those nameless authors who churn out an endless stream of bland romance novels.

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